I told someone Cacophony is superior to Nihilist in many many ways. I thought it would be easier to post it then to say it all. So here it is!

==DMP (astrology spheres not included)==
Nihilists:
-Magic 18 (Draconis at trans)
-All 8 (Demonscales)
-Fire, Cold, Cutting, Blunt, Poison. 10 to -ONE- and 5 to the rest.
Thats their guild DMP

Cacophony:
-Physical 20 (elasticity)
-Physical 10 (UndeadBlues)
-Physical 15 (Mobs only, from dodge. Also gives chance to dodge attacks)

==Survival (additional skills to survive with, tarot omitted because they both can take it)==
Nihilists:
-Putrefaction
-Ghost (woooooo in some cases, though it was nerfed again recently)
-Syphon

Cacophony:
-Illusoryself (glamours)
-Nature/Statue (glamours)
-Tripleflash (ups dodge rate)
-Reflection (illusions)
-Contort
-Somersault
-Handspring
-Backflip


The two above things are very important to standard combat as if you die before you can really do anything (AKA get attacked by all enemies in a group first..) then doesnt matter how powerful an offense you might have. Nihilists are squishy.

The best thing about Nihilists are their multiple kill methods; Mana based, damage, sacrifice, and soulless. Though Soulless is the best method since it ignores level. Cacophony only get damage and the timed insta, the timed insta isnt generally usable due to power costs and such. Damage is based entirely on active skills or passive illusions, there are no songs of any notable damage (carillonkneel does.. 40 I believe).

The best thing about Cacophony are they are highly mobile tanks. They hit fast, when they are set they hit hard and have some of the best levels of control in Lusternia for combat (fascination, hypnoticpattern, etc).

Cacophony are a fairly bad guild though for a bard.. the plague affs dont come rapidly and arent hidden or anything. Starvation is all they have as I have heard most every single guild member say (I dont like to rely on it, most people die before then or have food).

Perhaps we just need the Nihilists to empty for them to get some real considerations (and someone will fill in as envoy).

NOTE: Someone can change the topic name to not say a bard comparison since I decided at the last moment to change it to its own topic.

You forgot the 5 dmp from the crypt and 10 dmp to cold.

During most situations I don't have too many problems staying alive despite my lack of DMP. Occasionally so OP warrior will come along and screw up my world, but that's just OP 2100 per swing warriors. Nihilists = survivors. It's just too bad they suck at everything else.

That DMP is construct based, so it covers anyone. woooo 5 dmp though.

Sure they can pseudo survive other guilds. Warriors are the most crappy to fight. I am easily able to take 5 times as much as a bard than I could as a Nihilist, often I dont even need illusoryself to tank people. And for the sake of argument we will agree that you can tank, since my bigger point is still valid.

Nihilists suck.. buff plz? (Real buffs... not hexes and MAYBE something minor in necro. Nihilist itself needs some change! TO what extent would require you ask them. I want to see a new primary *cackle*)


Night all

Well I don't really tank. I just run a lot. Hoping in and out of combat. Timeslip/hermit/starleaper/fly. Good stuff. Never get any kills...but fun.

Anyone notice not one Nihilist came to say they are better or they arent rather poor for combat compared to like every other guild?

Sign? Hm?

Not really Mal.

Why are you comparing Guardian to Bard?

Anyone notice it was Malarious who started this thread? I did.

Oh look! More inane rambling. Good lord.

I better start the damn thread!

Woulda been annoyed if I had to explain it AFTER it was posted.