This post is an interesting case study in how to be completely wrong about something.

I was a pretty successful Tarot bard, and that was pre-Necroscream upgrades.

Try timing a shield before the smudge hits and eating earwort whilst moving around. Not every fight needs to be in the same room and no one will tease you for running.

No one complains about the damage I do!

Yeah, seems like the only thing I can do. And I'd complain about your damage too if you did tests on me.

Well, conducted my tests with him. We tried three times to see what the damage is like. The first time was a full spar, the second me just hindering and playing with aeon, and the last was just me standing still allowing him to set the kill situation up. Now, I died only in the last instance. Besides the stun being a bit long, I really do not see a problem with any of it at the moment. It was pretty easy for me to evade his setup for the burst damage with just a bit of hindering and walking one room away to cure aurics at the right times. Also I did not surge for the test, so I have no clue if he would have killed me surged or not (though I do not surge for anything other than bashing).

So, I may test with him again once he has had time to understand his new specialty, and then see what perhaps can really be done with it all.

Going to have to agree that if you let a SS prep long enough for his big damage burst, you deserve to die. The passive damage has already been reduced and the only issue remaining is maybe with the stun.

As far as the other specs go, Cantors need love.

Something to consider with the SS passive damage, does it scale with the max health of the target or is it set? For what doesn't kill a demi warrior may squish a faeling in seconds

It scales to a certain degree. So the more health you have, the more damage it will do to you. All other things being equal.

Decided 4 quotes would be enough.



What Celina said was correct, I noted only offense songs and only ones with a good chance to be used in combat (in the case of other bards I am not sure if any of them go over 3 in a stanza set.

When this and the other topic were connected the old part above this was...

==Song Comparisons (non offense and unused songs excluded)==

The defensive songs may or may not be used. I didnt include torturesong because many times its still not used as Viscanti need the cha from vileblood and use undeadblues to remain undead along with its perks. Third song is either a regen song or despairweb most of the time.

Thanks for posting though, rather people point this out than assume I neglected it. Knowing its only offensive things should help. (Willed it after this post too).



I believe I have already said Cacophony is far better than a Nihilist, I dont think many would try to argue that otherwise.



If NightshadeBlues makes it 1400 thats 700 more base damage with manabarbs, you can ignore egovice at that point or use it for a substantial damage boost. I would check that though.. it might actually scale. Last check I know of the Wiki was wrong, the damage to mana scales.



I actually am glad Visaeris posted!

SobbingDread is rarely if ever used, because most peoplego deaf before trying to leave, so they ignore it.

UndeadBlues is actually a nice song, and yes the turning undead part is nice now that it works for construct stuff.

WrathfulCanticle isnt guaranteed to fire. Unless it was broken and sinc been fixed it could show it hit and in fact not give an affliction. And most of the time it just doesnt hit. Its effect should be more often and it should do plague affs, instead of the random bunch it does now. That might actually reach a goal tough, so we couldnt have that eh?

Ecology > Glamours > Tarot. Tarots best attribute is soulless, most other 'combat cards' are useless. Ecology offers far more for combat than tarot. And while glamours is a passives engine ecology isnt bad on its passives and they hit all enemies. Not to mention transmigs buffs

Ecology passive don't hit all enemies it has a chance of hitting 1-3 personal enemies in a room, and even then you can shield to stop the effect which only happens once per smudge.

Better than anything in tarot, its not a full group fight though so I will give you that.

Having to shield in combat? against bards who can blanknote a shield down? Someones bound to get hit, and shielding can kill you in groups. Though I really think tarot is the worst off, glamours has its uses, ecology definitely has its own (yes they each have an advantage in some way), tarot is just utility and soulless though)

Though will tarot ever be touched? Not too likely, how do you make somehting like herbbane for tarot and make the skillset still be considered beefed without everything targetting bard or bard affs? Anyway I have made my base points, so from here you (Not asmodea, celina, geb, and maybe rika though. they actually came to talk!) can argue all ya really want. It is likely someone will have some whining to do as a reply.

Wildaranne isnt OP if you go with the idea that leaving is an appropriate defense, then again nothing is unless it can lock quickly and reliably. Anyway I will leave it to others to duke out bard supremacy.

lots of <3 to you all