http://nogfx.org/logs/407

1. Having decided to use princessfarewell extensively, I was faced with the problem of power management. It takes too much power to get the aeon(6p), its preventing me from using most of the useful glamours skill. In the end, I just said "the heck" with glamours and went with the aeon.

2. Losing illusoryself hurts and I still keep trying to reflect.. But as it stands, my health is at a level where I deem it feasible to forgo without the illusoryself. Also, having done extensive improvements to warrior curing, with proper hindering and hangedman/aeon.. my theory is that wounds should not stack so fast..

3. Before, I'm only able to do damage kills with minorsecond. Tarot will give me another way for the kill. Depending on the opponent, at least I have options.

4. I was able to pull of the requiem here and there. Its also 8sec, but it give two messages. I thought if i can do it with two messages.. i can also do soulless and its one message.

5. However, i found out flinging soulless under blackout is a little trickier than I imagined. I just dont know when they'll cure the blackout..

6. TK with vessles, and telepath with dominate mess up the soulless

7. Oh yeah, i was very happy with the win.. First time i won against him (when he kept attacking with the soulless flung, I was at the edge of my seat mumbling "im doing it, im really doing it..")

Fear the blackout soulless!

Its not just for Celestines anymore!

Did you ever grab your shield after Thoros whacked it? More to the point, did he? I couldn't see it so it seems like you were whiffing a lot of parries from not noticing it.

Well...

If Thoros went for your head when you flung soulless, he would've won the race and (brainbashed? for bcs) you.

Yeah, he grabbed it.

Who did?

Nezha

Soulless behind blackout is tricky how? This is a pretty cut and dry tarot win. Celestines have been using that trick for a long time.

The only thing worth mentioning is that Thoros should have seen that coming.

Oh and why are you whoring princess farewell? Doesn't seem to be doing much.

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Sometimes Celina, you need to step outside of the box.

Geomancer Dreamweavers (or phantomarmour) and chasm?

Isn't that the cause of the blackout, or am I missing something?

Remind me again, the target can see when you rub soulless on them? So you can track rubs, yes?

Yes.

I don't know about Thoros but I do know knights back in the day (Thorgal, Murphy, Daevos come to mind, Shuyin mentioned something about it when he beat me) like to race instakills.

Correct. I don't think Thoros has anything in particular he can do about soulless rubs other than run on every following blackout though. And he can't tell whether Nezha flings it in blackout even if he does run, so he would have to run a whooole lot. (Not sure what happens if he runs and then come sback in before it finishes, I assume the soulless still resolves.)

The trick is

1. when do they sip allheal and cure the blackout exactly.. I lost a spar with vathael and thoros cause i flung soulless after they just cured the blackout

2. If we both knew what was coming, then as you say.. it "should" be pretty easy for the opponent to just run away.. however - see below

See below -


Blackout+aeon+stun.. and tarot aeon seems to be 4.xsec according to my timestamp. PF seems to be 2.5 with encore and 3.5sec without..

Also, if i was using PF all the time.. when exactly is the soulless fling gonna come? :aha:

EDIT:
hint: PF and blackout..


yeah, there is a kinda a leap of faith. Plus a lot of trust in acrobatics and parry/stances..

Uh no, that would have been retarded of him. You don't try and "random" someone to death when a sure-thing kill is ticking. He could have hit chest four times in a row and died anyway. Swing ftl.

I completely disagree.

We can play race the chasm if you'd like.

You know for nine (for soulless) or twelve (for chasm) seconds they won't do anything but sit there. What was stopping him from using Puissance (power useage? Refresh power/puissance?) and hitting Nezha? Ceren brainbashed Narsrim in one hit. Shuyin has brainbashed me (may have been decap? for bm?) within two combos.

Welcome to a Robe-users life against Artifacted warriors (good thing Nezha is human and not a weaker race too).

Refresh power takes eq. EDIT: and uses it up.

Well, I'm not a Demigod thanks for clearing that up.

I don't think Thoros had used much power during that fight (though I'm a total knight newbie, only on the recieving end).

And I'll tell you this: I have lost race the chasm against people on a three on one situation where the knight was an artifacted Demi/Vernal (once again, Shuyin takes that one). Though, 12 seconds is longer then nine seconds (I don't recall if my demesne was active or not).

Either way, not much different from this situation, the only thing affecting Thoros was the stun/blackout/aeon that lasts (2.5 seconds?). If he didn't race the instakill there, he must've realized it was to late to ghost away or try to tackle away.

What do you mean outside the box? That's a pretty standard, in the box tactic.

Vapors+soulless. Phantomarmour+(sometimes whisper)+chasm. These are not new strategies. Nor does chasm work as effectively as soulless because it has more messages. Xanon tried it on me before as a Nihilist. Phantomarmour masked the first message, I stacked a few afflictions while he was paused and used lovers right before the last message hit.

Thoros might not have known when the soulless would come, but he should have noticed that you suddenly stopped healing. He could have just tackled you every time you hit with princessfarewell. Slow his offense, sure, but he wouldn't have died. I doubt he'll let you do it again.

I don't mean to dog on you, if it works, fine. I won't hate you for using it. It just smells like a one trick pony, and I'm not going to lie and say it was inventive or skillful when others (myself included) have used blackout in this exact way before. You beat Thoros though, which is more than I can say.

edit: Oh, last thing. The Aeon in princess farewall is pretty irrelevent, and anyone with a decent system will tell you that. If you use it, use it for the blackout/stun. Aeon without any set up is pretty pointless.

No kidding, but look at the numerous logs of the exact opposite, that's what I'm saying. Do you not understand how warriors work or are you being purposefully daft/argumentative? Even if he uses POWER to get the wounds Silvanus, he still has to use a 50/50 move to try and get the instakill AND count on the dice roll to get it. It happens FAR more often than actually getting the kill does and it has nothing to do with the PLAYER'S choice in power/maneuver/action. Swing is flat out 50/50, doesn't beat parry/stance. That means Thoros has to first prone him to get past parry/stance (wihch normally goes to head during a channeled instakill) then hack/smite down and hope that he gets the wounds, the diceroll, and the HEAD not CHEST (50/50) hit. I have logs of hitting chest six times in a row, well over 15 seconds of random race-against-sure-instakill death.

Let me reiterate:

If a swing hits the chest there is nothing you as a player can do to solve that. You're just rolling dice at that point when you could just avoid the instakill and do the same thing without the timer ticking.

Also: Ceren bashbrained Narsrim in five hits (not one) on what was more like a 1/50 because he beat parry/stance WITHOUT proning. He got extremely lucky in that log to have hit his smite down on a non-prone player, let alone it hitting head and giving the actual wound at 3500sh. Sometimes I wonder if you bother to research anything at all.

If you use it twice, or aeon tarot beforehand, it's basically an extra second on the stun. More if they get highly unlucky with recessional. It's not like he's trying to lock them.