Exeryte2008-07-09 06:20:30
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jul 9 2008, 01:19 AM) 530442
It pulls one. This doesn't pull any. Np?
I meant that Chaindrag affects one person at a time. This badger affects everyone in the room who isn't shielded.
Shiri2008-07-09 06:21:45
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Jul 9 2008, 07:20 AM) 530443
That'd be the overpowered suggestion and monks are being redone. And judging by the latest batches of Skill reviews...
*Envoy Ideas it*
*Envoy Ideas it*
Monks are being redone but I don't have much hope for chaindrag being redone, only their attack skills. I may be proven wrong if the ninjakari committee submits something with nerfed/fixed/replaced chaindrag but we'll see!
Unknown2008-07-09 06:21:58
QUOTE(Sojiro @ Jul 8 2008, 11:15 PM) 530439
I used that joke first, psh.
As far as bond deliver goes, I think it shouldn't stack, i.e. you can't deliver another smudge until the previous one 'finishes'. Normal, ecologist smudges should still be stackable. This should be more fair, maybe.
As far as bond deliver goes, I think it shouldn't stack, i.e. you can't deliver another smudge until the previous one 'finishes'. Normal, ecologist smudges should still be stackable. This should be more fair, maybe.
That'd be fair, probably. As long as it's one smudge, period, not just one of every type or something.
Geb2008-07-09 06:24:04
QUOTE(Exeryte @ Jul 9 2008, 07:20 AM) 530444
I meant that Chaindrag affects one person at a time. This badger affects everyone in the room who isn't shielded.
Not saying the badger is balanced or not. Heck, it does seem like it can be a problem with more than one popping in there to chain those smudges. I would like to know what are your thoughts on choke layed over demesnes? Since you don't actually have to be in the room to cause harm once you have both of those in place, would that not be considered as bad as the badger dropping those smudges?
Celina2008-07-09 06:25:55
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jul 9 2008, 01:16 AM) 530440
Huh? So are you conceding that chaindrag is overpowered? If so, that's fine. But this is actually worse than chaindrag in a normal scenario. It might still be too good (as I have pointed out that chaindrag is) but it's still worse in most scenarios. The reason they got hit by it a tonne as a ranged skill here is that they were sitting in aggro shieldbreaker mobs.
No. Constantly stunning and doing a nice chunk of damage to enemies while your ecologist is tucked away safe is not worse than chaindrag. It's like a mini geo demesne only your mage is way the eff over there. And you can't break it.
Exeryte2008-07-09 06:28:49
QUOTE(geb @ Jul 9 2008, 01:24 AM) 530449
Not saying the badger is balanced or not. Heck, it does seem like it can be a problem with more than one popping in there to chain those smudges. I would like to know what are your thoughts on choke layed over demesnes? Since you don't actually have to be in the room to cause harm once you have both of those in place, would that not not be considered as bad as the badger dropping those smudges?
I actually haven't dropped Choke for a few weeks.
But I will agree, Choke layed over demesnes is OP and it would be stupid to say otherwise.
Geb2008-07-09 06:31:32
QUOTE(Exeryte @ Jul 9 2008, 07:28 AM) 530452
I actually haven't dropped Choke for a few weeks.
But I will agree, Choke layed over demesnes is OP and it would be stupid to say otherwise.
But I will agree, Choke layed over demesnes is OP and it would be stupid to say otherwise.
I did not say you dropped it recently, though I will say it was dropped for this last domoth battle. I will also say that you have done it in the past, though I do not know if you felt any remorse in doing it. I do thank you for your honesty, and hope that you will be just as vocal in helping to rectify the choke+demesne problem, as you are in helping to rectify the badger problem.
Exeryte2008-07-09 06:31:35
And wow, this turned into a thread about Choke faster than I thought it would.
Xenthos2008-07-09 06:31:57
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jul 9 2008, 02:09 AM) 530432
Good point. As I say, I haven't decided if it's balanced yet, I'm only pointing out that in a normal situation you could have avoided it completely and it'd've been a lot less bad than, say, chaindrag/beckon.
Just a random question, but: Why aren't you comparing it to boulderblast/hailstorm from the room over (which is a much more similar comparison than chaindrag or beckon in terms of what it can do-- at least on the damage aspect, with other stuff thrown in for fun)?
Exeryte2008-07-09 06:33:55
QUOTE(geb @ Jul 9 2008, 01:31 AM) 530453
I will also say that you have done it in the past, though I do not know if you felt any remorse in doing it.
I've been guilted into not using it anymore.
Asmodea2008-07-09 06:34:38
QUOTE(Exeryte @ Jul 9 2008, 02:20 PM) 530444
I meant that Chaindrag affects one person at a time. This badger affects everyone in the room who isn't shielded.
just FYI, smudge hit a random amount of people in a room, its not everyone unshielded, I thought it was 1-3 people but found out that it is 1-5 people, so if 50 enemies were inthe room, the smudge is still only going to hit a max of 5 of them.
Shiri2008-07-09 06:38:13
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jul 9 2008, 07:31 AM) 530455
Just a random question, but: Why aren't you comparing it to boulderblast/hailstorm from the room over (which is a much more similar comparison than chaindrag or beckon in terms of what it can do-- at least on the damage aspect, with other stuff thrown in for fun)?
Two reasons.
One, I didn't think of BB/HS (they hit -everyone- though, not just a couple people.)
Two, some of the people attacking have defended chaindrag before, which I'm sure you'll admit is a little fishy.
Either way, I'm not necessarily defending it.
EDIT@Asmodea: You sure it's 1-5 and not "guaranteed 1, probably 2, less likely 3, ... 50"?
Celina2008-07-09 06:38:30
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jul 9 2008, 01:31 AM) 530455
Just a random question, but: Why aren't you comparing it to boulderblast/hailstorm from the room over (which is a much more similar comparison than chaindrag or beckon in terms of what it can do-- at least on the damage aspect, with other stuff thrown in for fun)?
Because you can't boulderblast/hailstorm from the next room anymore.
Xenthos2008-07-09 06:40:36
QUOTE(Celina @ Jul 9 2008, 02:38 AM) 530460
Because you can't boulderblast/hailstorm from the next room anymore.
That was, in fact, my main point.
Asmodea2008-07-09 06:42:33
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jul 9 2008, 02:38 PM) 530459
Two reasons.
One, I didn't think of BB/HS (they hit -everyone- though, not just a couple people.)
Two, some of the people attacking have defended chaindrag before, which I'm sure you'll admit is a little fishy.
Either way, I'm not necessarily defending it.
EDIT@Asmodea: You sure it's 1-5 and not "guaranteed 1, probably 2, less likely 3, ... 50"?
One, I didn't think of BB/HS (they hit -everyone- though, not just a couple people.)
Two, some of the people attacking have defended chaindrag before, which I'm sure you'll admit is a little fishy.
Either way, I'm not necessarily defending it.
EDIT@Asmodea: You sure it's 1-5 and not "guaranteed 1, probably 2, less likely 3, ... 50"?
I've hit two people before, so it might be 2-5
Celina2008-07-09 06:45:44
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jul 9 2008, 01:40 AM) 530462
That was, in fact, my main point.
I see what you did there
Xenthos2008-07-09 06:49:03
QUOTE(Celina @ Jul 9 2008, 02:45 AM) 530465
I see what you did there
Good! It was intended for people to read it, and come to the appropriate conclusion-- if it was overpowered for BB/HS, then perhaps it is for this as well.
I'm glad it worked.
Aison2008-07-09 07:35:32
Quit your whining and shield-whore.
(Is it just me, or does that reply sound a lot similar to chaindrag topics?)
(Is it just me, or does that reply sound a lot similar to chaindrag topics?)
Xenthos2008-07-09 07:37:23
QUOTE(Aison @ Jul 9 2008, 03:35 AM) 530472
Quit your whining and shield-whore.
(Is it just me, or does that reply sound a lot similar to chaindrag topics?)
(Is it just me, or does that reply sound a lot similar to chaindrag topics?)
(Psst. Hailstorm/Boulderblast.)
Aison2008-07-09 07:45:30
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jul 9 2008, 12:37 AM) 530473
(Psst. Hailstorm/Boulderblast.)
the ni knights are just for good measure.
