I find this all so interesting, the demigods don't seem to want to consider any other option than making it cheaper. I had a whole post but it came down to the power cost needs to still be high enough that orgs don't start changing their opinions to "Ok well... let's just make it so that everyone has to get demigod before they rise"

it's 1,000,000 power to raise a vernal. if you make that 250k then it seems logical that the orgs would consider reversing their stance. And do you really want to be the one to tell the demigods that they can't be risen and give them the reasoning.

Again, can anyone actually find a way for it to be more balanced without cheapening it?

First of all, the cost of reforming and time of reforming are fine. Little pricey before, but you are getting free demigod.

Are you packing full karma blessings? Are you using Tosha? Do you bother to divinefire at the proper time? Do you avoid opening yourself to death by gangbang away from your group? You should be more effective as an Ascendant. If you're not, well, "heh". You have several things at your disposal to "survive" better and I don't think I've ever seen you use them. Making ridiculous statements like "I was more effective at 85" is just saying "I die a lot, there's a time-out associated with dying as a VA, poo." For example, you walked away from me in your demesne while I was tied up, then you CAME BACK with critical head wounds and started hitting me again.

As for some of the other remarks in here about people who aren't demigod being lazy... What? If your community raises someone lazy, that's on your community's head, not the system. I've held domoths since day two of Ascendant and pushed about 60 mil into Ascendance so far, don't get ridiculous. Remember that bashing at 101 is 60000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times easier than bashing at 80-90. Add to that 5m essence per crown cycle, 10m if you hold two, etc.

Sure, there should be a reason to ascend Demigods. Calling people who aren't already demigods lazy and saying they don't deserve to be raised is stretching it. There are plenty of demigods who do tons of work for their communities and deserve to be raised. There are some that don't.

Domoth taking, on the other hand, could probably use some levelling out. Still give ascendants the two-crowns, but maybe instead of nerfing ascendant times/essence requirements, lower the demigod time/essence requirement.

I'm all ears to other options, however none other has been mentioned, not even by you. If I could think of another that would simply make demigods a viable choice without making them preferable to mortals (as that is -not- what is being asked for) then I'd propose it, I'm just a bit out of ideas here.




First of all, no one said anything about those not bashing to 100 being "lazy". At least I didn't. All I said was that those that put in the peronsal effort to bash to 100 are getting screwed over by doing so. That does -not- mean that those who focus on other things are lazy. This game promotes a variety of activities you can do after all. However, I don't think that one such activity should permanently exclude your character from vernal.

However, there really isn't a point to raising a demigod right now if you can raise a mortal. Thrones currently aren't being fought over and even if they were the advantage of raising a demigod compared to raising a mortal would be... non-existant unless you didn't have a capable mortal (at which time you might as well save up on power and wait a bit). I can only repeat that all that is being asked for is to -balance- the scales here somehow, because right now demigods aren't even weightened.

I agree that the impracticality of raising demigods is a slap in the face to the demigod members of an organization and needs to be addressed. But I'm not really convinced that simply lowering the cost to raise a demigod will actually fix the issue. This is because if you lower it too much it becomes silly to raise anything but a demi and if you don't lower it enough, it still makes more sense to raise a non-demi and get an extra combatant.

Demigods should have a different method of being raised based off their personal essence. It could be an essence/power ratio with the power required from the nexus to raise a demi decreasing with the amount of personal essence the demi has available to sacrifice to the process. Meaning that at some point a demigod could be raised to Ascendant with a trivial contribution from the nexus. This would of course sacrifice their essence. Unless they had more than needed.

Let's say that there is a minimal nexus cost to raise a vernal of 100,000 power. If we then say with a 90 million personal essence sacrifice, a demigod can be raised to vernal without expending more than that 100,000 nexus power. So every million essence essentially would count as 10,000 power. At 20 million essence it would cost 800,000 power to raise the demi. At 40 million it would cost 600,000 power. At 80 million, 200,000 power. And so on and so forth.

While it's still the same concept of less power required to raise a demi, it gives control to the demi so if they really really really want to be raised to Ascendant they have a method of making it practical for their organization to consider them. The more essence they have, the more practical it is to be raised.

http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?show...15817&st=0#



As I said, I agree that there needs to be reason to raise demigods or at least some sort of compensation made that allows some equivalent status.

Cost of raising a Demigod should be proportional to the amount of essence that Demigod has, not whether or not the person has Demigod status. Maybe something like 1 000 000 essence:5000 power. Also, a limit on how much the power could be lowered, such as expending at least 500 000 power for raising anyone.

make raising a non-demigod cost 100,000 extra power per level? maybe 50,000 per level?

I like this. For one because it gives a bit of control to the demigod, and for another because the ratio which you proposed fits pretty well. There are few demigods who have above 50m essence so the cost would still be significant for most and we'd not swim in vernals the day afterwards.

@Krin: The idea wasn't to make it harder for vernals or make demigods favourable. It was just to give demigods a bit more of an -even- chance.

For Desitrus (anyone else can ignore this):



Emphasis on "for your levels".
Lazy being defined as "not bashing 24/7 or hogging astral" -- or wherever the bashing trend goes nowadays.




Lazy being defined as .... "someone who doesn't do :censor:" ? Not in regards to levels but in general.

Yeah it's a small difference and yes I probably could have phrased it better that first time. Let me try again then: "You have a better chance at getting raised to vernal if you do -not- focus on gaining levels on your own beyond a certain point" or perhaps "The mountain has a better chance of the prophet coming to it if it sits and waits, than if it goes and seeks out the prophet itself." -- which in my opinion is backwards.

Hey guys,

Not to burst your bubble or anything (and I am an -avid- supporter of lessening cost for demis), but even if this were true, I feel that your (meaning a demigod) chance of getting voted on and raised instead of a mortal rises from "No chance in hell" to "I guess if we really have no other choice". I mean, I already think this is the cause right now anyway, but if that's fine with you, go for it.

Mathiu's/Catarin's idea about affecting the power cost of raising a DEMIGOD will probably be more effective in fighting the good fight, so to speak.

Fixed?

And her idea sounds better than the initial one.

This is why I should read what I type.

Fixed though.

Nowai.

I support this idea.

Desitrus the Ascendant for the low low cost of 2.8 million power

If any of you actually read past the first few posts in the other thread, we did decide to develop the idea to be an essence for power thing, with a limit of 700k power or something.

Actually the only mentions of the word essence since Xiel just throwing it out there as "in exchange for a majority of the demigod's essence or something-" were people talking about how demis loose it and then todays stuff

Seriously. Are you not reading the post you quoted or are you not reading the thread I quoted? Either way, you're not reading something.

Anyways, I do hope that all these people who are upset that they can't be ascendants will also push for equality for those who just don't bash. I mean seriously, I believe I was once told that "You wouldn't want it even if you could have it"

So when do we get to brain storm for ascendant to become more than bashing because that may also assist demigods in getting ascended.

cool I killed the thread