As confusing as it sounds.. yes, nerf the faster times Make domoths more even ground, so that ascendants arent the only ones likely to take a domoth because of time and being able to hold 2 at once (most of current domoths are held by ascendants I believe).

Ascendance is bought demigod with perks, demigod was actually earned. You got both by sheer luck and thus know both the burden of earning demigod and the perks of an ascendant. Would you say someone moved from like level 81 to ascendant should be more powerful than a demigod who actually had to do something more than be a citizen aiding the city? Far far easier to earn ascendant as a mortal than it is to bash demigod as one, depending on power.. and hey ascendants let you get power alot faster because they take domoths faster.

Again though.. idea should be to give demigods their own little perk to focus no for rp other than being 'nowhere'. A way to self ascend with some different things like not getting the skillset. Demigods have little reason to do anything, theres no particular use for essence beyond simple combat things for them. We cant buy a havens room (which would be neat), cant bind to a fate (also would be fun), cant bond to a nexus (interesting but no idea what it would do), etc. We get new things for ascendants and families but demigods havent really gotten any attention since they were all nerfed (along with titan of course).

Yes. I know how both are, having been both. I know the work for demigod was less. Bashing is tedious, but it's not as much EFFORT as consistently helping an org, especially if you have actual competition who does the same. So no, I -don't- think demigod should claim any more of the (already minimal) ground between ascendance and demi. Magnagora doesn't even have an ascendant yet, but it's gained a couple demigods since (partly due to exploits, but at least some legitimately.) And when it does have an ascendant it'll only have one for presumably quite a while.

And ascendants don't really gain power a lot faster actually, they gain a whole 30 minutes every few days since power ticks on the weave.

EDIT: Plus this doesn't have anything to do with your argument that 40 minutes isn't enough...you have plenty of time.

EDIT: PS I have to call BS on this "sheer luck" thing because it makes it look like I was undeserving in some way, which is false. I was lucky that we didn't know enough about how bad ascendance was at the time, and crown essence gain wasn't put in yet, but I got both by putting in the hours and being useful to Serenwilde, not "sheer luck."

Ascendants should > Demigods. Enough said.

Dont really need to restate my points for the first part, other than the fact being like a GM shouldnt mean ascendance (as a VERY base example of working with a city). Bashing is more likely to make you crazy, just look at me!

As for your EDIT, did I argue 40 minutes wasnt long enough? Ascendants cant be absolved well at all, because they get +1 so at crown they arent touchable by non ascendants. They absolve others faster. They can hold twice the seals. and it costs them nothing to sit in domoths. My point is ascendant is entirely focused on domoths, why is that being made their focus when more power means more ascendants? This seems bound to just mean most ascendants = most new ascendants gained.

In short my point wasnt on having enough time, it was that one of the biggest issues (absolve) is rather quick for ascendants, although is too easy in general (demi doesnt even have to be here for it and blah blah blah, fixes for absolve has been brought up elsewhere).



The sheer luck is that you wouldnt have been ascended had they known its effect, they would have raised a normal mortal.

You did argue 40 minutes wasn't long enough.


And being a GM will not get you ascendant, I assure you. You have to put in a lot more effort than that. And if you put in the effort and the city decides you should be an ascendant, yes you should be an ascendant! Your "should" derives entirely from the idea that bashing is harder work than putting in effort all around. Having done both: it is not.

Absolve isn't quicker for ascendants at all. And the power is another matter entirely and has nothing to do with ascendants except on the very weak level at which demigods can't absolve ascendants. You're lashing out at completely random points here.

EDIT: Yes, I know that was lucky, but as I said, when you put it like that you discount all the other factors. It wasn't like we rolled a dice here.

nerf ascendants in the domoth, focus them elsewhere. Damnit, I want my ascendant to focus on his cult and just nominate a proxy to fight in the domoth for him (which would be awesome...r cause less loss if they droop in activity)

I guess I could live with that as long as the difference is made up SOMEWHERE. Cults are probably not the best place because of all the poor Orderless ones.

Could cults be formable without divine assistance? Could there perhaps be different types? Could there be ascendants who focus on war or peace? Could proxies be an option? And so on

No (Morgfyre said so), don't know, maybe, what?

No one knows anything about cults because no Ascendant has managed to sucker a god into giving them one yet. I wouldn't blame them either, given the decidedly less than awesome nature of cults. And I assume it's more costly (for the god and ascendant (?)) essence-wise as well.

Oh yeah, Nejii worked for it and deserved it, but there's no way in hell he'd have won then if we knew what we do now.

Bashing to 100 isn't hard, it just takes time. Trust me, I know, I did it twice.

First one's a 100% no, we've already tried this. Those of us without Divine Orders are SOL.

All cults apparently are the same type: We have the same skills available, and most of them are just kind of... there. So, while there can be ascendants with a different focus, their cult is going to be mechanically the same.

And what use would a proxy be? Without level 100 and the extra couple of stats, the proxy is going to be squishified by the Domoth mobs.

Well as I was just throwing random things out it doesn't particularly matter.

However as I suggested way back when the ascendant system first came out, there needs to be some balance brought to it so that EVERYONE can have a reasonable chance at becoming one.

obviously though this is never going to happen