Ah, and: Unvote before I forget.

Unvote what? Leader or lynch?

Me must say, me do not quite understand d'different reasons for having a weak or strong leader meself. We have too many "what ifs" and no knowledge to know which is better.

However, Gold is used for buying things, and me bet dat some dings will really help us, and we will want to pool gold to d'leader to buy really big nice dings.

Dat why me vote Thul for leader. He is not too strong, not too weak, and his claim is most like me own roll, so me find him safe to be leader.

So wait, did you just open your bag of tricks, and that's supposed to do something when Balizar gets here? Huh. We'll see then.

In the meantime, Visaeris seems like a useless choice for leader now that I think about it even more because EVEN IF he's safe, the lynch protection is wasted on him since ostensibly he's hard to daykill. Again, we should discuss this after making a lynch.

Unnominate Visaeris for leader. (I know I don't have to do this but it helps keep track)

I voted Visaeris as leader because if his claim is true, it NEVER hurts to have a tank leading the party. Unless you have a rogue, those are good too

Don't have a place of origin or a specific item. I also left out the gold because, frankly, it slipped my mind. I wasn't even aware that it was of any consequence.



Nope, I haven't stepped back at all. I used that terminology because it's a massive risk to go for leader and roleclaim. It's a huge gamble. I know the leader will be a big target, and my ability is not immunity, so there's a very real chance if I get the job I'm going to die. Hence, go big or go home.



Not a shift. Just a use of synonyms. Someone who's out for gold, which I said in response to Thul, can be considered a mercenary. It's an amusing tactic, quibbling over semantics, but I don't think it confused anyone else.




Airtight is also someone who roleclaims on their second or third post think about. Because if someone doesn't believe me and convinces others of it, it's gets me lynched under the "lynch all liars" rule



Not remotely defensive, just tired of your annoying accent and stupid implications. I appreciate this post, because at least it's something I can tangibly respond to instead of passive aggressive foolishness.



It's called a rhetorical device. And since I got no such specific treasure, how was I to know?



Full disclosure, aka the willingness to answer and fully disclose any questions about my role. I've answered every question and fulfilled that mandate. Peddle your nonsense elsewhere.



Yeah ok.

In any case, I deliberately tailored my initial roleclaim post because I wasn't sure how lenient Balizar would be with copy/paste, but since Daganev's gone and done it I'll go ahead and do the same thing:

I am Slogoth. I am a kickass half-troll with a giant sword. My specialty is hunting dragons. I've made a lot of money over the years mercilessly hunting them. I do what's best for me. I'm on the journey for the treasure at the end of our quest. Additionally, i have a sizable wang. I win with the fellowship.

I am a Dragonslayer: If we encounter a dragon, I dispatch it effortlessly.
I am Resilient: I have a chance to avoid both day and nightkills.

Ok, I guess Daganev's bag of tricks was crap today, maybe it'll have something tomorrow. It says "a random person" rather than actually being a random person, so it probably isn't a delayed-blast bomb or something.

The leader cannot be lynched. Ergo, the only way to get him (or her) killed is during the night. Or with a daykill power of some sort. Plus, there is the potential that the leader will have further purpose later in the game. So the scum will find it in their best interests to nightkill the leader faster than the other players, if not immediately. Therefore, stick someone wholly expendable in the slot to minimize damage.

There are other good candidates, but generally you don't want to put a doctor, cop, or other important role in there. You also don't want to put scum in there, because then you've got to rely on a night/daykill ability that may or may not actually exist among the fellowship. Visaeris's role, assuming it is true (still on the fence about this) would make him a decent leader, in case doctor abilities are limited or nonexistent.

Suddenly, the torch-bearer exploded, causing everyone to wonder where exactly we got a torch-bearer in the first place

And yes my role really did include a sizable wang as a Dragonslayer. Who would have predicted that. In any case, Shiri, my daykill resilience is probably for daykill boldpowers, not lynches.

If we're holding off on hashing out the leader stuff, fine, who's got a lead on lynching someone besides Silvanus?

I also think Daganev's probably town, or close enough based on that orb thing.

Unvote: Daganev

Well Phooey!

I really think Balizar wouldn't give us the chance to 100% screw ourselves day 1 by making the leader impossible for the town to kill.

I don't know, I just disagree with your analysis. If we want the leader protected, and we want people with useful roles protected, we want the people with useful roles to be leader. We probably DON'T want someone who's already resilient in there because then we're wasting it. We definitely do not want a scum in there but that's obvious.

When we settle on a lynch we need to see if anyone has a role that actually fits what the leader needs to be. If not, I still like the "bandwagon random person into it" strategy.

In the meantime though, lynching.

It says day will not end until the challenge is resolved.

Yes, but we want the info from the lynching. If, say, we kill you and you're scum, Visaeris is highly likely not to be scum, and thus a much safer bet for townie leader.

Me still do not trust prostitute. Me not letting some prostitute anywhere NEAR me airship designs.. she might sell dem to highest bidder instead of to best engineer!

Why not?, d'odds are low

Since we lack a lynch candidate and no one's offered suggestions, I'm going to keep running the conversation on leader. If you don't pick me fine, whatever, but I do take issue with your reasoning.

You seem to be implying that Leader is some sort of protection... Honestly, it's not. By the usual odds/ratios of Mafia:Town, it's not like we're really at risk of someone getting lynched by a scum voting block. There are always more town than scum, at least in every game I've played, so it's not like the lynch immunity really goes for all that much in the way of protection from the bad guys. It's protection for a good guy from the good guys, and sort of a guarantee

The resilience is a boon because it'd protect me during the two avenues of attack open to scum to guarantee someone's death.

bandwagoning a random person into it just seems like bad form because it's a risk we don't need to take. If you don't like my claim, fine, take Thul. He seems expendable. But the reason I've campaigned so hard for it is because: A) i want the gold, I didn't start with much and I reckon items will be helpful. I strongly suspect that leader will have an impact on the nature of the game, and naturally I want that position.

If you don't buy the roleclaim and consistent position I've taken, fine. If you don't buy the fact that resilience is helpful to a leader, fine. But christ don't bandwagon some random chump, because that's a huge risk for no particular gain.

It's not all about odds. If the scum had a chance to 100% win day 1, they'd want to get themselves put in the position, and then the game would be over. Others wouldn't necessarily, if they were genuinely looking out for the town's best interests. I don't know, it's just bad game design. I think Balizar wouldn't make that mistake.

Its bad to go off assumptions of what you think the mod would do. Look how helpfull it was last game...

I say its best to not risk it and make sure we pick someone who isn't scum. To me, Thul looks least likely to be scum.

Or myself. I'll be happy to play leader at this point since I'm all out in the open anyway.