How helpful was it last game? It didn't seem to cause me any issues (assuming there were two scum groups because scum + cult like people kept suggesting didn't make sense.)

I find your reasons for believing Thul not to be scum dubious. To me he looks just about the same as everyone else (i.e don't know enough to say.) But I may have missed a post.

Meh. Let's get rid of Silvanus or at least decide on someone else.

Quite a few people assumed hat Shamarah had an aversion to vanilla townie roles.

Does that mean that your role also does not have a specific desire to find a treausre and that your role also does not tell you where you come from?

It's become apparent to me that I type far too slowly for my own good. Ten posts and a dud grenade in the time it took to write my previous post? Ye gods.

I'm content at this point with Daganev's and Visaeris's roleclaims. I should mention that Daganev's had an illusionary ability before, and that might be what that is... but for the moment I'm just not willing to risk randomly blowing someone up.

Going to bed, here. I agree with Shiri that we need to lynch before figuring out who our leader is, though. My focus is on Silvanus for the moment, but seriously I'd like to hear something from some of the other folks who haven't been quite as active. Is Requiem even here yet?

That's convenient.

Out of the three roleclaims out there, all three are equally valid and could work or couldn't work. There's no unifying theme for town or scum.



Why? The more we post the more info we have. I'm in no rush to lynch anyone.



Ok, let me break this down real simple.

Specific desire to find a treasure/specific origin is absolutely meaningless. Reasons for joining, meaningless. They can be faked, they can be easily concocted, and we'd never know the difference. Plus, there are people who don't have a specific origin/treasure/whatever. Myself, and I got the impression Silvanus as well.

Trying to establish some sort of metric like specific treasure or origin as some sort of measuring stick for scuminess is moronic because it will be faked.

Yet you guys are voting to lynch me instead of nominate me as the leader. Which is why I put my name forward and everybody jumps on me for that because I said sleep my way to the top. How else is a hooker to get there? This is now the third or fourth time somebody has mentioned this other then me, yet nobody is nominating the least expendable person to roleclaim so far: a vanilla townie, which happens to be me. Shiri goes off and says it's safe to sacrifice the vanilla townie while you say it's best to put them as leader to minimize damage.

how do you do that?

Click the number of posts (#) that shows up under the Replies column.

As I've said time and again, this is a mistake. We won't get a shot at a new leader, and if the leader ends up with an important role to play, we're going to miss out by just viewing it as an expendable one-off challenge that has to be fulfilled.



Go to the General discussion forum, click on the number under the replies column, for this thread.

As I've said time and again, this line of reasoning is a mistake. We won't get a shot at a new leader, and if the leader ends up with an important role to play that can have an impact on the game, we're going to miss out if we just view it as a one-off expendable slot to be filled and forgotten.



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We have 4 roll claims not 3

Thul, Me, Silvanus, Visaeris.

We need to hear more form the non talkers.

Unvote: Daganev
Vote: Shiri

I've said absolutely everything about my role in a different format then Daganev and Visaeris (where they paraphrased the PM it seems, which I wasn't sure if allowed but if not I'll do the same:)

My name is Bianca. I'm a hooker.

I joined this group because one day down near the local tavern, I was busy with a group of horny farmers when I overheard a pack of travelers talking(you guys) about a fabled treasure cache. I quickly joined this group, hoping to earn enough money to quit my hookin' ways. Wish me good luck with that. I win when the fellowship gets the treasure safely.

Sexual Prowess: I am comfortable enough with my sexaulity, that I can use my body to get what I want.

Wench: I can't really do anything besides sleep with you, which doesn't really help you, or me.

So, I've been reading the debates about who should be leader and such. There are good reasons for the fellowship against nominating ANYONE as leader. I'm with Shiri in that this is probably just for the no lynch and extra gold. As such, I'm reluctant to nominate anyone who has actually put their own names forward and continually defended their cases. Why? Because this is exactly what the scum would want. So, let's give it to someone quiet instead. I'll just Nominate Amarysse as leader for now.

So instead of analysing the roleclaims and trying to find flaws in them, you're just going to pick someone random and hope they're not scum. Seriously?

Honestly, Mafia is not a game built on the concept of shotgun play.

There should be significantly more to it than random votes.

All four roleclaims are sufficiently detailed and well worded that I believe all four are valid claims and we have four townies. But instead of exploring that you're just voting for someone who's given no clues as to her role and crossing your fingers. That's utterly terrible.

What are the odds that the four of us are all scum? Non-existant.

After reading Daganev's post that actually made sense I'm going to Unvote. I am still leaving Vis as my nomination for party leader. Assuming that the leader will be important down the road and wouldn't want the person getting nightkilled so easily. Wonder if we get to elect a new leader when the current one dies.

If you read Bali's post, he says no. This is a one time deal, it's today's challenge, no challenge repeats.

You know what, I'm gonna go with Silvanus.

Vote: Shiri

I think Silvanus is town at this point. His role's sufficiently detailed, I could see a vanilla role like that, and he always posts terribly so it's not out of pattern for him.

I think anyone seriously arguing for a random party leader is scummy as hell, because we have four perfectly reasonable roleclaims out there to pick from. Don't like mine, pick Thul, or Daganev, or Silvanus, or whatever. But throwing the dice when you have some valid character exposition is so insane it has to be nefarious.. Right?

Well since we cant re-elect a leader I don't see why you would want to put someone you would have to protect every night as the leader. Some of the challenges may require that we have a party leader still alive to get the full reward for, or even be able to do in the first place. Best to stick someone that if the doctor gets roleblocked or needs to protect someone else has some chance of surviving.

Like I mentioned, we need to be more careful with roleclaims this game. Any of those could be a bog-standard "madman" or even a warlock despite how convincing they are. A motivation is easy to fabricate as both of us already noted.

So it's too early to decide that any of those people are safe - at least, there's a similar likelihood of a given one of them being safe as with any random clown we bandwagon. Maybe it isn't an optimal strategy but that's why I want a lynch first BEFORE deciding. I have my vote on Silvanus already so I'm leaving it there until a genuinely better option comes up.

I agree with Shiri on the lynch before voting for leader issue. We will be doing both anyways, might as well make the odds better in our favor (Or not, depending on how the lynch goes). If anything, we would have more information when deciding who the leader is, ect. Although, to be honest, that still leaves us in the situation of who are we suppose to lynch? Of which, I haven't seen anything particularly standing out. Although, Dag, could you please throw _less_ grenades? I'm sure you have a tool that doesn't result in death and destruction. Hopefully. Possibly... Maybe.