I would have dropped it if their posts didn't have so many blaring contradictions in them. You want us to just ignore contradictions in posts and claims?

I agree that the roleclaim seems too good to be true, like a made-to-form candidate for a leader. And though I can see why a full roleclaim would help him in the bid for leadership, I don't know if that's worth outing an entire role like that.

Oh right people, just a reminder we're trying to get a lynch before we elect a leader.

You know what... Visaeris always says to lynch all liars, and he is just straight out lieing. (time and time again) Its not an issue of changing his mind. He is doing things and then saying that he isn't doing them!

Visaeris was the one stupid enough to give gold to the hooker, who said that giving her/him gold will activate the powers. We can't blame Silvanus for that, and Silvanus has been shifty, but not outright lieing and threatening to ignore people who are playing the game.

Visaeris obviously wants to be leader REALLY badly, and is being overly defensive anytime he comes under the slightest suspicion.

Vote to Lynch Visaeris

Any specific contradictions you're looking at? It'd probably be more suspicious if their stories meshed too well, since scum do know each other after all and know that it's in their interest to help each other.

Yes, but some scum may not be too good at that. Just saying.

Requiem's roleclaim is plausible, detailed, and it meshes with mine rather well. It's everything I could've asked for.

...I'm going to wait and see if he gets hit by lightning, though. That looks too perfect... like it was just outright quoted, instead of paraphrased.

Someone help me out with this. Who is Requiem in game, again, and is he capable of creating roleclaims whole cloth? I know what I'm able to draw up on the fly.

He's not gonna drop it. He's set his mind that he's DISCOVERED THE TRUTH and that hte gold thing pulls it all together! By god there must be a hooker cult! It can't be Visaeris giving back his gold like a decent human being.

The chances of you convincing him to let it go are about as good as convincing a hungry dog to let go of a steak. Not gonna happen. Best to just let it go.



Yeah, Requiem's role is weird.. I really don't get it and I'm leaning towards tossing my vote that way. I don't think it'll do any good because he's only posting once per day (which really begs the question of why even play in a game like this, Lusternia mafia is always super fast paced). I'd rather focus on a known quantity like Shiri or Archer than chase after him since it's a minimum of 24 hours to lynch him (due to the "no ninja lynch" rule)

He probably just replaced the "You"s with "I"s, which I was told not to do, if it is legit.

Requiem hasn't played Lusternia in a long time.

And for point #3, it wouldn't be that hard to adapt one of the four other roleclaims and pepper in all the right elements. There's more than enough examples of roleclaims at this point to try and emulate them correctly.

For what it's worth guys I just got a message about giving the gold away and nothing sexual was brought up, and I'm pretty sure I'd have noticed if I got laid. So.. Take that as you will.

Sure, if you need me to point them out, I can do another one of those long post by post analysis for Visaeris's post ever since he received gold from Silveris.

His whole relationship with Silveris turned from enemy to best friend once he received the gold.

three things stand out in Visaris's posts.

1. He said that giving 48 gold proved his claim that Silveris had 48 gold (Silveris never claimed this, he claimed he had 50. This would not be a big deal, except that asking him about this lead to the two other points)

2. Visaeris ignored the danger of giving gold to Silvaris to activate his wench ability. (If gold does not activate Silvarius's ability, then that means he was lying before. Since Visaeris has a policy of lynch all liers, the fact that he did not call Sivlarus on this lie, or did not think it was a danger, makes me suspicious of Visaeris)

3. Visaeris defending Silvarius TWICE in a single post, and then denied ever defending Silveris.

Look idiot... You may have just given back the gold like a person keeping his word, but you should have thought about it first, and worried about the fact that you would activate the hookers powers on you.

You should be even more cautious about these things if you are going to be the leader, and Silvanus said he wants to sleep to the top.

It was just straight out foolish of you.

And you are getting way too defensive.

Dag seems to be reading alot into things, but his points may be valid. One way to deal with that is to lynch Silvanus and if she checks out, elect Vis leader. But that's only one solution.

Daganev might be reading too much into it, but there's an element of possibility that Visaeris seems to be completely and utterly dismissing. Even with the claim that nothing happened with the gold, it's still possible that he was already subverted. Another interpretation could be that it leaves Visaeris open or vulnerable to Silvanus's power, whatever it is. While it doesn't prove scum or otherwise, it's something to consider when nominating the leader.

Anyway, I'm heading off to bed, and keeping my vote where it is unless other more suspicious posts turn up when I get back.

Dag? Reading into things? Naw. Never. His points are valid if you're looking for excuses. I unvoted Silvanus and was defending him before he gave me the gold, sometihng conveniently left out of Captain "Imabearlol"s posting. I also never explicitly defended Silvanus, I simply built a house of cards and offered reasons why I was town, and reiterated that he'd already justified himself enough to get Shiri and a handful of others off his back. It was an ad populous argument, designed to strengthen my own claims to town.

Of course if you lynch Silvanus and he checks out, that's a waste. I'd rather try and find someone who's actually being suspicious.

My point about Visaeris is just that he often says things like this:






And here in this case, Visaeris doesn't care that Silvanus lied about the power being activated by giving her/him gold, and instead finds the transfer of gold to be evidence of innocence.

Very uncharacteristic of his "rules"

Last time I played here I'm pretty sure it was a game I was running, but games here used to be pretty slow paced. I'll do my best to stay active during the day so give me a little bit to see how I do before killing me off because I might be slow.

This is how I'm interpeting my role. I have a challenge ability that works for the random challenges throughout the rest of the game like everyone else. I also have a second ability that hinges on my becoming leader.

My guess would be that either certain things happen better (challenges, finding shops, whatever) or I get a new ability if I'm elected leader.

I know people keep saying that we didn't need another roleclaim, but given that I suspect I really am the best person for the role, I'm wanted to make sure I'm at least considered.

Sidenote: my role was actually decently paraphrased, not just replacing pronouns.


Second sidenote: I'm not stupid. I know that coming into the discussion this late with another roleclaim, especially one that looks so custom fit for leader, is going to draw a lot of suspicion and possibly end in my death. But since I'm pretty sure absent the leadership role I'm just vanilla towny, it's a chance I'm willing to take.

I agree. I don't really think that you're, in so far as I've seen, involved. But you can't pretend that Silvanus isn't suspicious at all.
A whore sleeping there way to the top could very well be scum.

Sorry that should read, "my other point".

Before I was just thinking that him being leader wasn't safe, because he might be open to the hooker taking advantage of him.

But at this point, I think he is more than just unsafe as leader, he is unsafe being alive.

And I don't buy this "other people are being more scummy" argument. Everything is based on "readding too much into things".. However with Visaeris, the problem is that he is contradicting his own rules, and lieing. (Look, now he admits to defending Silvarus, before he outright denied it) And its only fair that we expect Visaeris to live up to his own "Lynch all liars" rule.

Except, I was helping him and trying to fight for him before I got any such gold. And furthermore nowhere in his posts does he mention any claim to being able to convert people by giving them gold. I'm not vulnerable at all, and I've made it clear to Balizar that if I somehow got "ensnared" by simply giving back the gold, I'm out of the game. Because that is a totally inane game concept and it has no place in mafia. I have more respect for him than to implement such an utterly utterly terrible pick.

You know what, :censor: it, let's just kill Silvanus and get this :censor: over with. The whole leader thing has turned into a massive retarded bit of nonsense with a full third of our playerbase roleclaiming one way or another and Balizar made a terrible mistake when he offered it up as a challenge.

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Vote: Silvanus

Fine, I could be "compromised" by the sheer virtue of having given/received gold, let's just close this chapter up. I'm beyond caring at this point.