Huh.

Yes, I think it's best to get this over with soon. Electing a Leader is more or less, just a dick-waggling contest anywho for the candidates and us being deathly afraid of electing scum.

I think it's one more vote to lynch Silvanus.

hmm, incase it wasn't clear before

unvote for lynch: VOTE TO LYNCH VISAERIS

Silvanus should not be one away from a lynch. *peer archer2*

I'm unsure at this point Daganev, and that's why I haven't voted yet.

I still don't think we should kill Silvanus.

Wouldn't it make more sense, Visaeris, to kill off Daganev?

The Very Annoyed and Irritated Sixth Official Vote Count

Lynch Votes:
(9 For Lynch)

Silvanus: 4 Votes (arix, lorick, rika, visaeris)
Requiem: 3 Votes (shiri, thul, othero)
Shiri: 2 Votes (silvanus, shamarah)
Archer2: 2 Vote (zetsu, silferras)
Visaeris: 1 Vote (daganev)

Leader Nomination:
(9 For Election)

Visaeris: 6 Votes (visaeris, zetsu, shamarah, arix, othero, archer2)
Daganev: 2 Votes (daganev, archer2)
Silvanus: 1 Vote (silvanus)
Amarysse: 1 Vote (rika)

(Please tell me if any of this is incorrect.)

Significantly more, but unfortunately Daganev hasn't done anything to deserve lynching, whereas Silvanus has. Daganev's just chronically stupid, and always has been. If you read the way he plays in other games, he's always super paranoid and reading into things. So that's just a personal trait for him. Plus killing him won't exonerate me, whereas when Silvanus turns up town, my defense was justified and I have the proof I need to see Daganev lynched day 2.

Oh, just four. I'm going to Vote: Silvanus then.

Ah, that makes sense.

And yes, I remember how Daganev plays.

Why would you want to kill off the engineer? Just because you don't like my reasoning? If you don't like my reasoning, provide a better argument and I'll listen to it.

But right now, Its Visaeris insistance that his claim is airtight, and that if we find somebody who lied, we should lynch all liars. If I am wrong about Silvanus's claims, then I am just wrong. But if I am wrong, then Silvanus is a liar, and we should lynch him. (But I don't think that Silvanus is a liar, and I don't think he is working against us, as long as nobody gives him any gold)

Once you give him gold though, he might become a danger.

To elaborate a bit, if we kill Silvanus and he's truthful, it's not a huge loss because he's useless. My case is then justified, I'm proven as town (as near as can be at this stage in the game) and we can turn our sights on Daganev for completely ignoring the truths I've offered in an attempt to put suspicion onto me.

If we kill Silvanus and he's not been honest, we've killed a scum and while that's a death sentence for me, I'll walk to be lynch'd happily because i'd have been completely and totally wrong this entire time.

We can trade a self-admitted useless town for some info one way or the other, and while I'd rather get someone truly suspicious, that's just not in the cards. Offing Silvanus is the best way to move things forward on the town's timetable.

I just remembered (thanks to the vote count) that you can vote for yourself.

VOTE REQUIEM FOR LEADER

Mmk. I still want to believe that Silvanus actually has a hidden ability though.

Couldn't we focus on some of the people Shammy was pointing fingers at? Archer, or especially Rika?

Oh, yes, just four. God forbid you place one of the last three votes - then people might think you're scum or something!

If he has a hidden ability we have to kill him, because he's lied.

Sham I'd like to know what you think about offing Silvanus for the good of the town at this point. You're a smart guy, do you see what I'm getting at about killing him to prove I'm not, and in doing so condemning a few others?

Actually, I just didn't want to put Silvanus too close to the edge. And yes, I thought she had eight votes on her and since I'm already suspicious to some people I wouldn't want to be accused of a ninja-lynch.

I asked what a ninja lynch is, and it's simply killing someone without giving them a chance to roleclaim/defend themselves. By that token, we could reasonably kill Requiem, for example, even if he's not around to post because he's made a defence. We just need to be reasonable.

Silvanus is on the chopping block and is legit because he's done a lot of posting and defending. If we lynch, we lynch.

I more meant my original proposition that Silvanus doesn't actually know what it does either. As in, Bali didn't tell him that it would do anything. But since according to his roleclaim, he has the option of sleeping with someone at night, it stands to reason that it actually does something.

I know I've made roles like that before, although I usually indicated that something would happen, it isn't really a stretch to say, "Here's a worthless ability, choose someone to do nothing to. Oh wait, you mean I forgot to mention that person dies now?"

I could care less about Silvanus right now. The whole Hookergate issue is getting people visibly irritated and acting rashly (Yes, Daganev, Visaeris was sticking his neck out a bit for Silvanus, but that's what you do when you run a gambit on someone and it comes off scum-negative. Yes, Visaeris, Daganev is difficult, but that doesn't mean you should blow up.) If this were a council, I'd move that we table the matter indefinitely. We're moving into a logic-free zone, and that's not where we need to be.

Instead... Unvote: Requiem I'm still vaguely suspicious of you at present, but you've presented, and everything's checking out. I won't vote you for leader, however... the suspicion is still there, and beyond that I don't like the idea of giving lynch-immunity to someone who's stated that he'll be away for long, extended periods.

And Vote: Archer. The whole "lynch someone useless to move the game on" logic seems pretty scummy to me. And while I can write Visaeris's outburst off as frustration (it's consistent with his behavior, at least,) Archer has been working on that line of thought for a while.

Um, I never said to lynch someone useless to move the game on. That's Vis's logic. I more like "I just want to get past this right now because neither Vis nor Dag will bugde and we'll go on and on." There's no way to prove either of them wrong or right without a night, and once there's no way to 100% prove it, they'll keep arguing.

Ah, i see. That could very well be the case, but I don't know that a nebulous "could do something" skill is compelling enough to stop the advantages we could conceivably gain from offing Silvanus. It's trading one no-skill/unknown skill for an exoneration(me) and a couple of FoSes(Dag, and I think it would contribute to a case against Shiri since he sure seemed eager to off Silvanus right up until the last moment when the bandwagon dissolved).

I think it's a reasonable tradeoff, but I confess I'm a bit biased since I've tied myself to him through my earlier constructions.