Lowe/Archer2. Having read all of the preceding responses, I have to ask... Why did you vote to lynch the dwarf (Daganev) and then immediately change your mind and throw your support behind him as our leader?

I could care less about Silvanus right now. The whole Hookergate issue is getting people visibly irritated and acting rashly (Yes, Daganev, Visaeris was sticking his neck out a bit for Silvanus, but that's what you do when you run a gambit on someone and it comes off scum-negative. Yes, Visaeris, Daganev is difficult, but that doesn't mean you should blow up.) If this were a council, I'd move that we table the matter indefinitely. We're moving into a logic-free zone, and that's not where we need to be.

And Vote: Archer. The whole "lynch someone useless to move the game on" logic seems pretty scummy to me. And while I can write Visaeris's outburst off as frustration (it's consistent with his behavior, at least,) Archer has been working on that line of thought for a while.

I think it would be more useful to lynch Shiri. The bandwagon on Silvanus is small now anyway.

Um, I never said to lynch someone useless to move the game on. That's Vis's logic. I more like "I just want to get past this right now because neither Vis nor Dag will bugde and we'll go on and on." There's no way to prove either of them wrong or right without a night, and once there's no way to 100% prove it, they'll keep arguing.

Also, it looks like Silvanus's position is unresolvable right now and in the interest of progress I'm going to Vote: Silvanus .
Sorry guy, maybe if you're Town you'll get rezzed by someone, but things have to be done.

So, we accomplish anything yet?

Would anyone else like to comment on Visaeris' desire to get Silvanus lynched after the defending he did?

Ok, am I the only one who finds it suspicious that after all that defending of Silvanus, Visaeris turns around and tells us that he wants to lynch him to clear himself?

Daganev... If I were to suggest a candidate for a psychopath at this very moment, you would be at the top of the list. Your paranoia knows no bounds, and you manage to make blind, baseless assertions of guilt and dishonesty with startling rapidity. You become so incensed that you use names that are utterly wrong (who is Silvarius?), and your word choice becomes nigh-incoherent.

You are quickly beginning to sound more like a rabid dog than a member of the fellowship.

Is it possible that both the dragon-slayer and the prostitute oppose our goals? Yes. Is it also possible that only one, or even neither of them, do? Yes.

You keep claiming that this person lied, or this person, but I haven't seen any proof. The only person whose honesty I'm questioning right now is Bianca's, given that I find it unlikely a woman of the evening would not be doing anything at night... But even saying that, your obvious desire to remove the mercenary (Visaeris) is fairly suspicious in my eyes. You've been after him since we started this.

Lowe/Archer2. Having read all of the preceding responses, I have to ask... Why did you vote to lynch the dwarf (Daganev) and then immediately change your mind and throw your support behind him as our leader?

"it feels right"? What the hell is this? You turn around and go from voting against to voting for, because it feels right?
What.

Did you even read the discussion? Silvanus proved his position. He gave me the 48 gold he claimed he had. He also attempted to give me his hooker attire which forced a rule change. A rule change implemented *AFTER* he tried, so he couldn't have known.

Furthermore, as a general point, you people need to get over your hardon for the hate train on me. Look at every game i've played. I've taken the exact same posting style and the exact same aggressive, logic based approach to assessing people's posts. It'll always be that way, and if that's a source of perpetual suspicion then I guess I'm boned.

In any case, Silvanus has cleared himself. He gave me the clothes pre-rule, which meant that he knew they'd clear him for his hooker role. So we know he's ahooker. He's either scum or town, with one caveat: Either he and I are both scum, or he and I are both town. I think it's safe to assume that he probably wouldn't have given me the clothes if I was on an opposing team (or the gold for that matter).

So here's where I offer my affirmative defense, because the perpetual suspicion of myself

Role PMs went out at about 3pm, and I posted my roleclaim at 3:20. It is a roleclaim that is a paraphrase of my roleclaim, a specifically obfuscated claim leaving out stuff I didn't realise mattered(which I still don't think it does) like "reason for the journey"(gold) and "motivation"(In it for myself). This roleclaim was also an attempt at a bit of roleplaying, which continues for the next however many posts until I get bored and go back to quoting people and using poster names. Some of the claim (the part about wyrms, wyverns, whatever) was just a bit of rhetoric for some fun roleplay.

I then further elaborated as requested, used some rhetoric, but the whole time my position has been consistent. If you don't believe that, you need to reread it and pull out a thesaurus! Yesterday at 11:10 I posted a full, completely paraphrased roleclaim after checking with the mod to make sure that wouldn't get too close to the copy/paste rule. It remains internally consistent with my posting and my positions.

So there you have it. I am town, and by extension that makes it very likely that Silvanus is as well.

But moving on to the topic at hand, I think Shiri and Archer2 are both suspicious. I'm sticking with my vote on Shiri.

Because it is completely stupid. I'm not defending him, I'm just attacking you. For being dumb. I gave him his gold back. I said I would. Honestly dude you're this close to me testing how well a mafia game can be played when you have one of the principles on ignore.

Nope, that's not defending Silvanus, that's me building a chain that exonerates us both and puts the matter to rest. Seriously, do you try to be obtuse? Do you get off on it? I think my actions stand on their own.

Silvanus got under heat, Silvanus got out of heat through his own actions. I brought those up as part of an argument saying that we must either both be town or both be scum. I then offered evidence as to why I was not town, and by natural extension of that Silvanus probably isn't either. It was a defense of myself that gained strength by the virtue of Silvanus being accepted as not-scum(or at least not demonstrably scum).

So here's what I"m gonna do pumpkin. You're going on ignore, because I"m sick of your accent and your completely inane, foolish posts. You have never actually contributed to a mafia game in any conceivable way that I can see, and any argument you might have is drowned in the fact that you're unable to read and you just insist on replying. So I'm done with you.
The first one is a challenge skill, assuming it was the first one in your role PM. The second one should be an action, or a boon, or something. I don't know, it doesn't add up to me. I'll reserve judgement until I see what Sham and a few others think. I'm expecting we'll find him slumped over his keyboard due to the fact that a third of the game has roleclaimed day 1.

Dag? Reading into things? Naw. Never. His points are valid if you're looking for excuses. I unvoted Silvanus and was defending him before he gave me the gold, sometihng conveniently left out of Captain "Imabearlol"s posting. I also never explicitly defended Silvanus, I simply built a house of cards and offered reasons why I was town, and reiterated that he'd already justified himself enough to get Shiri and a handful of others off his back. It was an ad populous argument, designed to strengthen my own claims to town.

Of course if you lynch Silvanus and he checks out, that's a waste. I'd rather try and find someone who's actually being suspicious.

I'm willing to lynch him because I am utterly convinced he is town and by doing so we stand to gain information. I've repeated time and again that I'd rather lynch someone else if we've got a solid case, but I don't know that there are any more solid cases to be had.

Let me be perfectly clear. I believe Silvanus is town

I just think that this thing has gone around in circles for 300 some posts and we're no closer to a lynch than we were. It's getting annoying. I like my games simple and easy and this has been anything but.

I'll get onboard with Archer because there's compelling evidence against him, and if we can disappear him then we'll gain a decent bit of info from that.. But I still suspect that there's advantage to be had by killing Silvanus and proving he's town.

Unvote
Vote: Archer

The key thing about picking a lynch target is picking someone that will give the most benefit in terms of: A) dead scum and information. While Silvanus fails for A, he's got a big advantage for B, and his death would help us. But since that ship has sailed and he's down to 4(now 3 votes with my unvote), I'll just have to be pleased that he made it out alive and focus on the more useful target(Archer would, i believe, satisfy A, and provide a bit of

Sort of, I guess. Just information, really.

Also, stop lurking. -.-