Visaeris: 6 Votes (visaeris, zetsu, shamarah, arix, othero, archer2)
Silvanus: 2 Votes (silvanus, thul)
Amarysse: 1 Vote (rika)
Archer2: 1 Vote (Daganev)

Updated, Bali made a mistake on his page 12 count.

Oh also, I don't want to vote for someone who wants to be leader.

Er, so by that logic... We shouldn't vote for you, because you want to be the leader?

Also, thank you, Vis, for the update. This thread has grown wildly, and it always helps to know where everyone stands.

That would be why I'm voting for Archer2 and not myself... duh!

Don't try and apply logic to his statements. He nearly had a psychotic episode while trying to prove I was an eeeevil person.

In any case, I'm still not sure how much I like Requiem's role.. It seems so tailored for the leadership challenge. Leaves me with a bizarre aftertaste.

Although I said I no longer want to be leader, I realise it can be confusing. But yes, if you think I want to be leader, logic says you should not vote for me.

We also want someone strong, and Archer2 definitely is strong. I also suspect that we won't ever be trying to lynch him, and that he is very strongly not scum. (I'm the only other person who I think has thier roleclaim validated by the game events, and since I once suggested myself as leader, that takes me out. ) Thus the only person left who fits all the general game mechanic criteria is Archer2.

Oh come off it! You still havn't explained your complete flip flop on whether or not you were defending Silvanus.

You straight out lied about not defending Silvanus.

If you aren't evil, then you are just a plain liar.

I'm off for now

Oh, I forgot Requiem voted for himself, so he's at one.

Amarysse you seem to be on the bubble of voting for me but holding off. Mind if I ask why?

Thus far, I think you're probably the best candidate, but if Requiem is being honest, he's almost perfectly suited to the position. Unfortunately, we really don't have any way to prove or disprove his claim, so I'm agonizing over who I ought to support. We didn't really get any useful information from Shiri's death (except, perhaps, that Silvanus wasn't working with him), and we won't know more until the next day rolls around... Which won't happen until we choose a leader.

Argh.

Am I over-complicating this?

Personally, that's the thing that scares me about his roleclaim. It seems a bit too accurate.

And I also am not entirely convinced that Balizar would put in a role with a power that only has a use if a certain challenge goes a certian way on day 1. Maybe if it accompanied some other ability, or maybe it if didn't have a point of origin or a specific relic. But the fact that it has all of these things that Thul and Daganev asked for just makes me exceptionally leery of his role.

To be honest, I think the leader thing's been overcomplicated a bit. I'm sure there are backdoors and people with powers that can counter a bad leader pick if it comes down to it.

I do not believe so, though you have managed to condense nearly thirty pages worth of frustration into a single paragraph. There is a reason we still have not yet decided, and I am still rather wary of throwing my support to those who desire it so strongly. I cannot help but think of hidden motives for such a grand prize on their parts, though of the choices, Slogoth still seems to be the best option at the moment, if we must choose one of them.

Seriously, Visaeris is the worst person to be leader.

1. He started the game with a role claim, saying "make me leader"
2. He wants it REALLY REALLY Bad. (Only scum would want it this bad)
3. He lied (Lynch all liars)
4. His roleclaim has questionable holes in it.
5. He is possibly open to manipulation from Silvanus.
6. He has a short temper, is easily disturbed and is willing to kill people he thinks are Fellowship, just to save his own skin.


We have 6 people with role claims, Visaeris, Silvanus, Me, Thul, Requiem, Archer2.

We have 3 people asking to be Leader. Visaeris, Requiem, Silvanus.

Warlocks benefit the most from being made leader, so anyone who wants or wanted to be leader is suspect.

Thul is a mage, which is a type of warlock, so its a risk.

Requiem has a claim that is "too perfect" (If Visaeris hadn't tried to hog being Leader so much, and Requim woke up earlier in the day, maybe this wouldn't be a problem. However he came late, so it is a problem)

This only leaves Archer2 as a choice in my opinion. The biggest argument against archer is that he makes bad decisions. Well perhaps Archer can agree to NOT make any decisions until after consulting with people first. Its really not such a big deal. We don't even know if the Leader Has to make decisions (maybe decisions will be made for him based on his roll) In other words, Mechanically, and logically, Archer2 is the only real choice we have at this point in time.

Aw, c'mon. That gold's just gonna rot there... Yes, gold rots when you leave it out there and unspent long enough. Science says so.

Anyway, other stuff.

We've got a bunch of people with a bunch of different adventure powers. We're going to have a bunch of different adventures, and if it so happens that we come to the Fiery Forest of Fiery Beasts That Are On Fire, I'm your man. Whee, water gun. It's possible that Requiem just has the one ability that's suited to today's challenge. I'm highly suspicious, but it's a possibility.

I've explained why I don't want to dump the leader position on Requiem or Visaeris, but if nobody wants a hooker as our leader, I'd put it on Requiem over Visaeris at the moment. Visaeris (supposedly) has his own form of durability, and Requiem seems to be a bit more level-headed, which is important for the town. Fellowship.

That worries me, since he's said he won't be around much and again, all things being equal his roleclaim just seems.. Too pretty. But whatever, I've said my piece, if anyone wants to raise some objections to why I should take the role feel free.

I'm hot tempered but I'm also able to make good decisions. I don't let it compromise my judgement.

Well, given that you already have done such, Slogoth-- it seems rather difficult to believe this claim. I do understand that you dislike the Dwarf, but refusing to listen to someone's words while they are part of our expedition due to your temper does seem to be a slight issue.

I didn't bother putting him on ignore, I'm just disregarding him until he says something worth responding to.

His little crusade against me is rather amusing, all things considered. He's beating the same tired points that I've responded to and refuted. I defended Silvanus, I stopped defending him once he proved himself and instead turned my sights on attacking Daganev. I built a construction that showed why I was town as a consequence of Silvanus being town. And that was that.

The situation speaks for itself. I'm more than happy to debate any point or any accusation but I'm not going to keep repeating myself to someone who ignores everything I say to trumpet the same tired principle.

Man you guys suck. STOP NINJA LYNCHING.

You got a power used on you, not ninja-lynching.