Oh...I see it now. Ok then. Fair play. Sucks for me.

I felt bad. You weren't that scummy!

But in any case, Silv, any chance you want to abandon your run for leader and hitch your ride to my star?

So this is Shiri's post, at 8:04 pm yesterday (my time, central, almost 24 hours ago).



Thought I'd quote this cause of Shiri's role:



Just quoted another one that might come up in relevance:





So, at this point, requiem hadn't even once made a post yet. Why would our known SK be nominating Requiem who later roleclaimed a perfect leadership role. Unfortunately we can't lynch more then one person on day one, or else I'd string requiem up.

Just some more relevance:

QUOTE(Shiri @ Jul 15 2008, 09:36 PM) 533350

Then let's do a lynch first. We can decide on a leader after that.

QUOTE(Amarysse @ Jul 16 2008, 06:16 PM) 534003

This is a very, very bad idea. As I've reiterated more than once, we are advised specifically in the challenge to choose a leader who is tough, and has a good lay of the land. You may recall that Bianca (Silvanus) was the one Deckar (Shiri) supported for the position based on the prostitute's supposed uselessness and blandness. This is also a claim that Bianca herself has supported, which directly contradicts the recommendation made in the very beginning.

We do not need a weak leader.

And it was Xenthos that initially brought up the leadership position should be weak to cut our losses I believe, not Shiri.

Oh and



I'd like to see some more involvement from the people on the bottom half of the list. C'mon guys, when you have less posts than the mod that's never good.

Just to add onto my first line of last post (since I forgot), that was Shiri's first post in the game.

Oh and



I'd like to see some more involvement from the people on the bottom half of the list. C'mon guys, when you have less posts than the mod that's never good. Not asking you to post as much as me (I have too much free time) but.. A lil more energy wouldn't hurt

Where did you draw that conclusion from? That does not sound like anything I have said.

Silvanus: I've already posted (almost immediately after the one you quoted) saying that I was, in fact, incorrect when I said Shiri supported your claim to leadership. In the 25+ pages of posts (most of which involved circular logic, bandwagoning, and rampant paranoia), I went back, double-checked my statement, and admitted it was wrong.

Ok, that was REALLY lucky of you Archer. However, like everyone else has said, it doesn't confirm your innocence.

The three people I have in mind for leader are Visaeris, Requiem and Archer. I think at this point, we'll have to assume all of the people who have roleclaimed are innocent and the roleclaims are accurate. That's the most we've got to go on right now. Here are the points which I like for each of the people:

Visaeris - resilient. Means he is less easily killed off at night.

Archer - supreme combatant. He is very skilled with his axe. Strength is something we might want in a leader. He has also proven to have a one shot autolynch.

Requiem - innate leadership. May unlock more if he is to be chosen as the leader. Also very skilled with the sword, same story as Archer.

Of the three, I'm leaning towards Requiem, because of innate leadership. However, I'd be willing to go with the group on either of the other two.

To be frank, that's a big jump for Requiem. The one thing Daganev and I agreed on is that his roleclaim is sketchy (though Dag was a bit more vehement about it. "BS" was the term used, I think)

As for Archer, you've listed his flavor ability, which isn't the same. His one shot lynch is gone at this point, and like you said earlier in your post it's not conclusive.

I don't know, I'm just hesitant to jump on the Requiem thing. If it's true, definitely he's a better pick than me.. But It just doesn't make sense as a non-challenge power.

One thing I've taken into consideration while discerning roleclaims is that you can't really put it past Balizar to make absurd roles that make no sense at all. Going in circles as we have been isn't really doing much. So that's why I'm saying we should assume that all the role claims are accurate. Heck, your claim could have been complete bs for all we know. That's really why I'm leaning towards Requiem right now.

I don't really understand how Balizar's challenges relate to our challenge abilities, but I guess that is because this is still day one and we are still left in the dark as to what happens with the rest of the challenges.

Except the problem is not that Requiem's role is absurd and makes no sense. It makes too much sense and hits all the dots perfectly, instead of missing the occasional aspect that every other roleclaim seems to. Unlike Thul, he has an origin. Unlike me, he has a specific treasure. He's also got the perfect role for this first day, making him a natural pick for leader, right?

Let's say for a moment his claim is accurate. Would you put it past Balizar to put a skill like that on scum in the hopes of luring us into a mistake? I think he would, because he'd find that hilarious. I'm not saying this is the case, but I'm saying this is just one of a number of possible problems.

My claim could be complete BS, for all you know, sure. But it doesn't actually really claim anything amazing or profound. That's the difference. I don't claim I'm the perfect fit with a completely on-the-money setup. Origin, treasure, all the things Thul wanted people to fess up to when they claimed. There they are, pretty as can be, with the icing on the cake of a wonderful second power that makes him the perfect pick. It feels like a honeypot.

And that's without delving into the fact that the dude has a two hour posting window every 24 hours (which, to me, makes me kind of wish there was someone else taking his place.. But that's another story)

As for the challenges, I think it's pretty obvious. Each day we'll get a challenge and there will be multiple ways to solve it, utilising our different challenge abilities. Whoeverr ends up using their challenge ability will get some kind of bonus. Hence the voting.

Sorry Xenthos, it was Thul that'd first suggest it.(I'd quote but each post has a limit to the amounts of quotes).



9:44 my time.






10:11, 37 minutes later.

I am just quoting some posts that were relevant to the bandwagoning on me that started, incidently, with Shiri (Daganev did vote for me first, but nobody listened to Dag until Shiri).




I'm just pointing out Arix' inconsistency that has been far greater then any I have made. It seems to me Arix hasn't made up his mind and just keeps switching hoping to avoid suspiscion and riding the bandwagon train. I've had several followup defense posts but he's going to hold off until I make a better one now that he's htought about it.




Oh wait, Captain Shiri points out something:






And then Arix switches again!



Why did I quote these? Even though Shiri accepted that I had made a mistake, he keeps his vote on me (which changes Arix mind too). (Pay attention to the times quoted in each post).



I quoted this post for a reason. Let's apply Shiri's logic and reverse the situation, since Shiri turned out to be a scum, who would be most suspicious now? Most likely the people who were bandwagoning along Shiri.

And as to why requiem would be even more suspicious:




I quoted this post because Shiri had nominateed Requiem for leadership position without based on any information whatsoever, then goes around and votes to Lynch requiem based on inactivity. Why I think this might be scummy on requiem's part? Maybe it's Shiri's attempt to distance himself from somebody. But what goes through my mind again and again is why did Shiri randomly nominate requiem for leadership position when some people had already jumped on Rika for randomly nominating somebody for leadership position.

Why requiem? Was it just a coincidence that requiem had the best roleclaim for leadership?




I bolded a part in requiem's first post. At this point in time, Visaeris had jumped off my bandwagon and my full roleclaim was out there (even though Shiri already nominated requiem for leader).

And wasn't requiem the one who claimed the perfect leadership role? How did Shiri know requiem would be the perfect for leadreship role before requiem had even made a post, once again I have to ask that.

This is not worth spending 10 more pages arguing over. Let's just ing elect someone and be done with it.

So you are speculating that Deckard, the serial-killer, knew about who the other villains were in advance? If so, would it not have been in his best interest to mention their names and, as such, attempt to cement himself as some sort of an investigator? Perhaps not, but something in your statements just does not work for me. There are suspicions raised based on their actions, but it does not seem that Deckard's support (either for or against) really matters as somebody has already mentioned.

I'm inclined to think it's most likely just coincidence, with a dose of opportunism on Requiem's part. Honestly I'd love to see tonight play out with me getting leader, picking up a doctor protect, and an investigation on Requiem, but that may be too much to ask for.

Honestly guys, all the cards are on the table. Those of you who haven't voted, why don't you just do it? Vote for Requiem or me or whatever but let's just move on.

Spectator: Hurry uppppp, I want to see more challenges. :/

I agree with Shamarah. Nominate Visaeris for leader. We'll find out more tomorrow.