Unnominate Daganev for leader

I hate it when Daganev goes on the defensive... trying to track his thought processes is ridiculously difficult for me. For now... ugh. I know Shamarah's gonna bust a blood vessel as I ask this, but a full roleclaim out of Daganev might be nice. I foresee six pages of largely unhelpful bickering ahead, otherwise.

Holding off on the leader nomination until I hear from some of you who haven't posted anything yet. Still asking for information from everyone as to why they're going on this journey.

Oh, keep in mind that TWO of the mafia last game rolled out a "resilience" power (badly). Whoever said it was right, they do seem to go with that a lot. Of course, Casilu had an actual one, so eh.

If an RL day from the game's start rolls around we should check who hasn't posted yet.

Wait, why do we want info on why we're going again? I don't see how that helps.

1. I assume the scum are going for the same, or similar treasure as we are.
2. It'd be pretty easy to fake, it's not like we know what treasure there IS to be had.
3. What good does it do us even if we know?

To Thul--

The loot of course! Why else would you travel across a dangerous world to a cove (was it cave? Eh, doesn't really matter) on a quest with only a piece of paper given to you by a dead traitor, and only a dying promise it is there?

Me have heard stories of warlocks and pyschopaths telling folk dat dey can't be hurt at night so dat nobody suspects dem when dey do not get killed at night and many people end up dead.

Me keeping my lynch vote on Sylvanus, but me would love to hear someone else suggest demselves as a leader. Visaeris is asking for questions and criticism, but den voting for people who ask too many questions!

Me vote for leader go to Xenthos, Shiri or Thul whomever want to be it.

thul, best to let people drop hints on der own to folk who know who are in it for good reason den to give too much information to d'warlocks and pychopaths dis early on.

Second Official Vote Count!

Lynch Votes:
(9 For Lynch)

Daganev: 2 Votes (othero, visaeris)
Silvanus: 2 Votes (daganev, shiri)
Rika: 1 Vote (arix)
Arix: 1 Vote (silvanus)

Leader Nomination:
(9 For Election)

Visaeris: 7 Votes (visaeris, zetsu, shamarah, arix, othero, shiri, lorick)
Daganev: 1 Vote (daganev)
Silvanus: 1 Vote (silvanus)

(Please tell me if any of this is incorrect. Also, if you want to unvote for a challenge, dont use unvote, just switch votes.)

What? Me? While it might be exciting for a time, I'm not really sure that it is something I would be any good at. I do not believe I am much of a leader. Though I will thank you for the thought, Dwarf.

Shiri is also voting for Silvanus (I think)

I've got something specific I'm going after, Daganev's claimed something specific, Visaeris has claimed a generic reason, Silvanus has a generic reason. Figured if everyone's got something specific they're going after except for one or two people, that's cause for suspicion.

At this point, I'm going to abandon the train of thought as useless, though. Too many people claiming non-specific goals, so I can't really use that as a basis to out someone. I thought Visaeris might've been forced to come up with his motive on the spot in place of a psychopath motivation.

That's my logic for asking for that information, Shiri. Underlying that is the fact that I'm a total information whore where these games are concerned.

I'm back for now, anything happen yet?

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Kiiind of makes sense, but since they now know that it won't help. Too easy to fake as I mentioned.

People we're choosing for leader: anyone know what happens if we LOSE the leader? Specifically, do we want important people in the role so they can be doctored easily for 2x effectiveness, or do we want someone irrelevant in it so if we lose them we're not too hamstrung? Do we have to elect another one if the first one loses?

If we don't know, I'm going to assume we want someone with a useful position in it so they can be doctored, and I also assume we elect a new one if we lose. That being said, Visaeris isn't particularly useful, but we already have a bunch of semi-dubious roleclaims and I don't think we want anymore just yet.

We don't know what happens if we lose the leader, and we won't get to elect a new one. Each challenge only occurs once, no second chances.

Well, I think we need to be careful in our choice. The deadline seems to suggest the ability to kill us will be minimal, but that could also mean our ability to protect against kills may be minimal as well... Hell, we might not even have a doctor and need to buy things like armor for that. I don't know.

Ok.

One more question: what do you think the likelihood of needing someone who has a good lay of the land is? Like, the leader is immune to lynch and gets the moneys, but do we care if our leader has that trait or is it flavour-only?

Hmm, beginning to think that the leader is more and more a flavor thing. We aren't getting "lead" per say, rather we basically are voting to make someone immune to lynch and give them free money.. Which, in hindsight, seems bad to rush into..

Unnominate: Visaeris for Leader

I'm inclined to go with "low", Shiri. I'm leaning towards it being a flavour thing, though I could see it offering up alternative routes and that sort of thing.

It really depends on how the leader role plays out, and we don't have any idea how it's going to work. I suspect the leader will have to make decisions each day, but that's just a guess. It could just be immunity to lynch and some bonus cash. I honestly don't know.

Ok. My intuition says it's more likely that we're voting just for the lynch immunity. If we find out otherwise, damn but we'll have to be more careful with future challenges. This means we should be voting someone expendable. Visaeris' claim is basically "don't worry about me being a night target." The doctor can either protect him or not. The scum don't actually care that much about who we make lynch-immune if it's a townie.

I'm going to stick with electing him for now. I can see it easily getting us into trouble if he's scum but I trust him more than I do Daganevanus right now (which isn't much, but still.)

We should make lynching someone our priority. I'm still with Silvanus for reasons I described above. Another option is to just keep talking until we find out who's inactive and take one of them out! (or take one of the inactive people from last game out)

People who have not posted..
Amarysse, Silferras, Requiem dot exe, Archer2