The Dark Knight

by Kaalak

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Desitrus2008-07-25 17:57:49
QUOTE(Rainydays @ Jul 25 2008, 12:29 PM) 537311
That reminds me of an oft recited story in my family. My brother apparently wasn't upset by Bambi's mom dying, or the end of Old Yeller, or any of those.

But when Optimus Prime died in that old cartoon movie, he was inconsulable for like two days.


Who wasn't? Optimus Prime was one bad ass mother trucker.
Unknown2008-07-26 00:20:41
QUOTE(stangmar @ Jul 25 2008, 01:10 PM) 537307
Also, I've been told numerous times that Wall-E is absolutely retarded. Save your $5


Wall-E is "retarded" under any of the following circumstances:


1) You cannot stand movies that lack blood and gore

2) You cannot stand movies that have main characters that don't talk much

3) Cute things piss you off or annoy you

4) Apathy is your middle name

5) CGI is not your friend.

6) Robots scare you

7) All things electrical scare you


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With that being said, I'd like to comment that "retarded" probably wasn't too great of a word choice, considering the real meaning of "retarded" opposed to the slang meaning.

Also, maybe where you are it's $5.

Here, matinée price is actually $10.25. And I didn't go during the matinée either.

I still say it's worth it.
Arix2008-07-26 01:19:21
The next Joker

Unknown2008-07-26 02:31:04
I saw it a couple days ago. It was awesome. Easily best movie I've seen all year.
Saaga2008-07-26 04:12:02
I need to go see this with my spouse, I liked Batman Begins although I never really was into the comic.
Jack2008-07-26 04:19:43
My father was... a drinker.... and a fiend! And one night, he goes off crrrrazier than usual. Mommy gets the kitchen knife to defend herself. He doesn't like that... Not - one - bit. So, me watching, he takes the knife to her, laughing while he does it. Then, turns to me, and... he says "Why so serious?" Comes at me with the knife. "Why so serious?" He sticks the blade in my mouth... like this. "Lets put a smile on that face!"
Hey... why so serious?
Stangmar2008-07-26 05:28:49
Matinees here are 4.50. Refreshments are even cheaper. And i can't stand movies with 'cute' things. They make me want to kick puppies.
I just remembered my favorite line from Dark Knight.

Morgan Freeman(Lucius Fox): Let me get this straight. You think that your client, one of the wealthiest, most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands. And your plan is to blackmail this person?
Celina2008-07-26 08:34:36
QUOTE(Somaria @ Jul 23 2008, 08:18 PM) 536837
I do. I loved her as Catwoman.
Thought that was hilarious.

I've been working in a movie theater for about a month now, and the managers and coworkers opened all the registers in concessions and there were the line dividers up all throughout the lobby on opening night. It was insane, nonstop people all through 12:01AM on Friday to like 6:00PM on SUNDAY. Most were psyched about the movie, and there's no doubt in my mind that it IS the movie of the year.

Honestly though, I was a bit disappointed. I grew up with the batman movies before this and the last one. Not the ORIGINAL, but the older ones with Mr. Freeze (Arnold) and Poison Ivy.. The Riddler (Jim) and Two-Face. The penguin and Catwoman.. I liked them better. confused.gif

I don't deny Heath did an excellent job, though. I don't really follow actors, but seeing the movie made me want to look at other things he's done. If I hadn't grown up with the other movies or the cartoons, I may have been just as excited as everyone else.


Catwoman, the Halle Berry version, is literally one of the worst movies of all time. I'm pretty sure it got an award the year it came out for sucking so hard. Not being sarcastic.

What blows my mind is that you preferred ARNOLD'S acting over...oh I don't know...any other actor, ever in the history of cinema. The extra's in Dark Knight did a better job than Arnold. "Ice to see you." "Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well." I mean, come on, one more bad ice pun and that movie would have had a stupidity implosion.

Bad. Movie.

George Clooney was hot though. And Robin..Chris something.
Arix2008-07-26 08:38:35
the Halle Berry Catwoman was not part of the Batman canon. It was just some bimbo with cat powers
Moiraine2008-07-26 10:18:37
QUOTE(Arix @ Jul 26 2008, 08:38 AM) 537487
the Halle Berry Catwoman was not part of the Batman canon. It was just some bimbo with cat powers


Oh right, she just happened to have the exact same story. I think that was one of the non-selling points. content.gif

Went to see Dark Knight again with a friend. wahoo.gif
Arix2008-07-26 10:54:46
I think the canon Catwoman was just one of the 'regular' criminals, like the Penguin. She was just a skilled burglar with no supoerpowers, who was relatively sane most of the time. Although I do believe there were several storylines where she was an amnesiac for some reason
Nikatar2008-07-26 11:20:21
I've seen it twice, two nights in a row. Quite simply the best Batman movie so far (though that now goes without saying I suppose). Ledger was brilliant, but the acting was fantastic all around I thought - especially by the actors who played Gordon and Dent/Two-Face.

As to a possible next film and who's going to be in it, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the multiple appearances of 'Mr Rees' (or whatever version of the surname you use) - Mr Rees pronounced quickly, mysteries? Probably the Riddler? Also, as far as I'm aware anyway, isn't the 'canon' Riddler an employee of Wayne Industries too? And I've been told also that Mr Rees is one of his aliases, though not his actual name (though I can't remember what this is and am too lazy to check at the moment).

I'd also be quite surprised if Two-Face wasn't in another Batman film.


And finally, my favourite part of the entire movie;

Do you want to see a magic trick?

I'm going to make this pencil disappear...
Moiraine2008-07-26 11:26:24
It's magic!

Hehe. I didn't think about that one, Nikatar. Eeeenteresting!
Saaga2008-07-26 11:29:06
I really need to go see this movie. *sagenod*
Moiraine2008-07-26 12:30:48
QUOTE(Saaga @ Jul 26 2008, 11:29 AM) 537512
I really need to go see this movie. *sagenod*


Yes. suspicious.gif
Eventru2008-07-27 16:28:40
Okay - I saw this Friday night with a companion of mine, who is very much not into Batman (however, I did not want to see Momma Mia! for a fifth time, and I bought the tickets, so...)

He quite loved it. Was talking about it all night. Unfortunately, the Literature Major within me weeps and sobs wildly for the symbolism that was a complete waste on him.

My personal feelings are very mixed. If it was a Batman movie, it was a horrible, horrible batman movie. It really was - not what I grew up used to, not what I expected. The last batman movie was a bit darker than I was used to, but all in all was a great movie - this was just darker. Infinitely moreso.

As a stand-alone movie, however. This was amazing. Purely effing amazing. I'm still sitting at work with my eyes closed, running through it in my head. I apologise to anyone who was sitting in the movie theatre with me, as when I saw Harvey flip his coin the first time I shrieked aloud, "OMFG IT'S TWO-FACED!" - something I had no foreknowledge of. My companion was extremely upset, though thankfully didn't understand what I meant (until Harvey had half his face burned off, and then he looks at me and goes, 'oh my god - is that two-faced?' - No, he's really not very bright. I adore him anyways, however).

Anyways. Heath Ledger's performance was amazing. The story, as far as I can tell, is not actually about Batman - it's about Gotham City. It follows the same vein the first movie took, however Batman was still the central focus of it. Now... not so much. I'm not particularly complaining, it was just not what I went in expecting.

The Dark Knight was the story of three prominent people in Gotham - Harvey Dent, the charismatic and righteous D.A., Gordon, the idealistic and hopeful police officer, and Batman, the dark, mis-understood, honourable figure with a single-mindedness.

The Joker, representing destructive chaos at its finest, was a person with no past, no identity. One could simply argue Joker was Gotham given human form - a maniacle, want nothing, need nothing, chaos-loving madman. His sole intention wasn't necessarily to bring chaos to the city - that's not what he cared about. His sole desire was to destroy the three pillars of Gotham, the three men who represented the three faces of 'good' in the city. The inevitable result would be city-wide chaos and panic, but that wasn't the goal. It was pure, malicious hatred for peace and order.

The depth of the characters was fantastic. I can go on for weeks, and have been discussing with my old college literature professor for the past day or so over e-mail the rampant symbolism some of you have touched on (the hanged man, Odin hanging from the Tree of Life, etc). I can see both, however I see the Hanged Man more prominently - he represents a lack of care, a lack of need, a lack of concern. The simple enjoyment of hanging there makes it entirely worthwhile. That is how the Joker acts, behaves, and seems to thrive.

I'm jumping around a bit now, having to type between tasks at work. I'll close it on a few notes, however:

Gordon. As I said, the idealist of the three, attempting to maintain some sense of balance between the vigilante justice of Batman, and the sanctioned, less accurate but more civil justice of Dent. Joker existed to prove to Gordon that people cannot be trusted, as much as he wishes they could be. Something Dent tried to warn him of, but never succeeded.

And then Dent, the righteous and devout man of Justice nearly believed himself invincible. It's pretty obvious Joker's intention - to destroy, defile, and completely remove the sense of right and wrong. It became less of a sense of true Justice, and a sense of chance. - And now this has sat here for 4+ hours, after I'd forgotten about it.

Great movie. My half-arsed analysis will probably remain incomplete - FOREVER! Ah well.
Moiraine2008-07-27 18:38:57
Batman's supposed to be dark, I have to say.

The very first Batman novel I ever read, called Dark Knight btw, included Batman getting his spine crushed, which led to a replacement Batman for a short while, a guy who perverted the symbol of Batman by killing pretty much every bad guy he could find.

Also, I want to know who was responsible for writing the character of the Joker in this script. Then I want to stalk him. suspicious.gif
Desitrus2008-07-27 21:13:38
Yes, there are quite a few batman comics that go far, far further into the Dark part of Dark Knight.

I sincerely doubt it will be Rees as riddler simply because they've stayed true to names so far, and the Riddler was a Wayne Ent. employee named Edward Nigma, Edward Nash, or Nygma. Rees also shares a "nod" after being saved by Wayne, whom he knows is Batman at that point.

The most hilarious moment in the movie for me wasn't actually the skipping in the Nurse outfit, it was when he sits down with it and the wig, and gives a weird half smile, then says "Hiiii."
Unknown2008-08-01 02:30:02
Wow, that movie was intense...
but too much dying =(
. Wish I had been able to see it in IMAX!
Unknown2008-08-01 03:08:12
For a moment I thought Eventru's post was a declassifed CIA document, there was so much blacked out.