Now...before I begin, I would just like to say that this'll probably be really long, seeing as how giving me half of an idea which I like is like giving a child with ADHD something shiny.

Onto the actual idea, I guess...

Now, druids are the only class with a 'supernatural' figure(s) they follow, but with no actual bond via their skills to said...thing. The Guardians get bonding, and Wiccans get to summon the 'specialization' fae. (Sure, there's Lords for mages...but noone really cares about them ). So I actually have a few ideas for this, also, seeing as how I have little (see: no) experience with the Hartstone, I'll just use the Blacktalon. 'But you could just RP the bond' say the RP 'Crusaders' brandishing weapons at me (via emote), but I'm not sure how exactly you could do that on the forum...but anyway, onto the ideas.

My first idea is to just place four skills into a skillset which have something to do with a particular Aspect (e.g, the ability linked to Blood Thirst might steal health from the targetted person).

Second, have the aura of an Aspect surround you...this could work in two ways: one, something like passive entrouage (sp?) abilities (see: wiccan fae) or for the second idea, defences (e.g, False Memory gives a 5% chance to resist afflictions).

Thirdly, you could replace tattoos with symbols of the Aspect. To show reverence to the Aspects however, you'd need to be able to have all four tattoos at once (*beg admins*), but painting the tattoos might now have an increased power and ink cost.

Now, fourthly and finally, maybe we could upgrade the cudgel or totem animal with abilities linked to each Aspect...kind of like Guardians, so whenever I hit someone with my cudgel and I invested it with the abilities of Black Sorrow, let there be a 5% chance to afflict with paranoia, dementia or...something else. The totem animal, would obviously, need some changes too (*beg admins again*)

Oh, and while we're on the subject, can the Blacktalon please get a few cosmetic changes?

1. I want my hands to glow purple, not green, when I'm carving a shadow totem.
2. Why the hell does my sickle grow from a flower? I want mine delivered by a crow
3. On the subject of sickles, can the BT one be made from a crow talon? The HS one could be made from antlers.

Thanks for reading!

Stagform and Crowform?

But to 'compare' them to Guardians, wouldn't they have Deepbond as the equivelant of that?

And besides, Crowform is just an 'overall' thing. Everyone else gets each Avatar/DL/Supernal.

On the contrary, as far as I know, only the Guardians are the actual folk who can form that deep a bond with a specific Supernal/Demon Lord. Even the Wiccans don't get to deepbond with their respective Avatars, so if anything, the Wiccans are the ones who should get this little tweak fixed, I say.

Which leads me to plugging in the idea of the Avatar bonding idea Sarrasri had a long, long, long time ago.

Yes please to avatar bonding.

<3 Selene.

I think what he meant to say is that the Aspects aren't reflected anywhere in a druid's skills, not that there's no tie to the Great Spirit.

EDIT: And if that's not what he meant to say, this is me telling him to stop thinking and start using other people's ideas.

There are actually a lot more egregious things that were overlooked in the creation of Glomdoring. For example, our torc are still shaped like moons, our athames are silver, and up until lately the SD fae were just generically "bound in shadow". So, yes. Power to RP!

I would've done that, except one of the SD's already did a thread on the subject, and also inspired my nitpicky...nitpickings.

Also, change the GEOCAST DEFOLIATION message or delete it and make GEOCAST FORCETAINT work in Glomdoring. Glomdoring is wyrden forest, not tainted forest. No, I don't care that wyrd=purple taint.

The more I think about having wiccan Avatar bonding, the more I get depressed about not being in Lisaera's order.

Eh, I may have to partially agree with you that it would be nice to have a bit more focus on the Aspects, integral as they are to the culture of the BT. But honestly, I don't see a need to give an aegised demesne holding druid some ability like suddenly giving everyone amnesia. There is an extent that RP should be related in combat, and going too much farther would be turning every RP culture icon the BT have into a combat icon, which in turn would effect their use and impact in the culture itself.

Druids have plenty of RP skills that relate with their spirits. So no.

As for wiccans, aren't certain fae connected to the aspects? I might be wrong there.

I don't know what this "avatar bonding" is. Just a carbon copy of deep pacts? Which for the record are just symbols, some minor DMP and evoking your deep pact's limited afflictions through the symbol. Wiccans don't really need another attack, they don't need more DMP, and I certainly don't want to see wiccans running around with active anorexia or paralysis without hexes/astrology. (mostly SD, lolchoke)

I believe the request is for abilities ( tears of polaris) within the existing skills that have some links to the aspects.

Soo was thinking up of an druids-only ecology spec that could incorporate this but it needs work.

I imagine bonding with Selene causing belly bulging, for some reason. Yes, in men too.

Yes, you are right. Mother, maiden, and crone.

Crow's aspects are abstract ideas. More symbolic, which is why I always found them more interesting than the Demon Lords. It's hard to make skills based off abstract ideas.

Not to mention...you already have the skills. Trickster/decoy/scavenger/spy/deathmask/crowform. These things have little to no utility in combat, but they are flavour skills.

neways

*goes back to thinking up what a spirit viper might do*

seriously? That's your best shot? "neways?" Touche.

You want skills that link you to Crow/stag. You already have them. In fact, I know for a fact Crow has quite a few, including actually taking on the form of a crow and summoning a crow mount. What exactly do you want now? A skill called "Black sorrow?" That probably won't be happening.

Crow especially has more than it's share of RP skills, in fact Crow is under review because it has too many RP and too few utility skills. If there is one thing Crow does not need, it's more RP skills.

Wiccans can deep pact. Nightkiss/drawdown. Night and Moon are singular entities where as the Demon Lords and Supernals are not. (not to mention special fae)

Anyways, I get that I'm arguing this point with people that think druids are lacking in the RP department.

Actually my response is more of "she's not getting it and there are too many calls in the queue to bother explaining it"

Your argument is that because you have an ability (I believe you call this a skill) relating directly to crow himself that there is an rp connection.

Your responses should be more focused on highlighting the links between existing abilities and the aspects of crow (read: not crow as the entity)

Now bad to the queue (45 calls today )

1. They shouldn't be glowing at all, you're just carving! But purple would be nice.
2. Flowers are pretty, and Blacktalon -do- care about nature. So I don't see a need for change here.
3. I like this one. Not that most BT wield a cudgel, anyways.

As for the whole bonding business, I don't see a need. Crow/Stag have Aspects, yes, but those Aspects aren't like Demon Lords/Supernals - they're just reflections of Crow/Stag themselves. By becoming Crow, you effectively bond to all four Aspects. Having to choose between any one Aspect would be a bit lame, as I was always under the impression that all four Aspects were needed to... do stuff.

Wiccan bonding may be cool, but Celina does make the point that Night/Moon are single spirits.