Mafia: Elder Wars Redux

by Rika

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Revan2008-08-01 19:55:00
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WHY ARE YOU ALL ROLECLAIMING ON DAY ONE!? WHAT THE BLOODY... IJHASIHFUIHWOFHOWRUHOURWGH!!!!!

Never have I seen such a huge blob of FAIL! I can't BELIEVE you people listened to Daganev's idea to MASS ROLECLAIM ON DAY ONE! Holy :censor: you guys are naive
Rika2008-08-01 20:05:37
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QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 2 2008, 07:55 AM) 539559
WHY ARE YOU ALL ROLECLAIMING ON DAY ONE!? WHAT THE BLOODY... IJHASIHFUIHWOFHOWRUHOURWGH!!!!!
vote count:

daganev - 4 (Shiri, Revan, Eldritch, Lorick, okieSakana)
Shamarah - 3 (Serella, daganev, requiem)
Thul - 2 (Xenthos, Silvanus)
requiem - 2 (Thul, Arix)
Revan - 1 (shadow)
Lorick - 1 (Shayle)
okieSakana - 1 (Silferras)
Daganev2008-08-01 20:09:04
QUOTE(Thul @ Aug 1 2008, 09:53 AM) 539465
I'm hoping that Rika hasn't juggled things around to screw with us, of course ("What, Fain's our doctor?") but I think we can get some good information going and get something a little more solid to work with if we all go around and give out our role names. No abilities or anything, just names.

Thoughts?


QUOTE(daganev @ Aug 1 2008, 10:06 AM) 539470
If no god is obvious, then it couldn't hurt to mass rollclaim our names.


@Revan: FAIL
Thul2008-08-01 20:17:31
First off, Revan, this one was my idea. Responsibility for the fallout is on me. I'll assume that your outburst means that you don't feel like claiming, and that's fine.

I figure that doing things like this is a nice way to get information out there, figure out who's got something to hide, and give things a kick past the "well, he did THIS last game" stage. I think it's been fairly successful already, seeing as how we've got some decent reactions and a fair idea of who we can reasonably trust.

I'm not certain why you've been so emotional this game... you've been pushing fairly hard to lynch Daganev right away, and trying to carry your arguments with name-calling. I've found this merely unpleasant up until now, but I think we've crossed the line into "suspicious" territory.

Unvote: Requiem
Vote: Revan
Revan2008-08-01 20:17:46
Except... mass roleclaiming, even with names, leaves you more vulnerable to being targetted by Mafia. Common sense Dag... do you have it?
Revan2008-08-01 20:19:37
I'm not being emotional. I'm just wondering why you guys are being so naive.
Thul2008-08-01 20:25:05
QUOTE(Revan @ Jul 31 2008, 11:03 AM) 539102
I was looking at intriguing posts made by Daganev. In the remainder of this post, I plan to summarize the contents of them in an effort to look at our situation realistically and from a viewpoint that takes in the whole picture. It is requisite, even in this summary sketch, to go back a few years to see how today, we might have let Daganev conspire with evil. Tomorrow, we won't. Instead, we will reinforce what is best in people.

Of course, I'm generalizing a little here. But that's only because of all of Daganev's exaggerations and incorrect comparisons, one in particular stands out: "I have problems trusting people ." His statement speak volumes. And for those mealymouthed carpetbaggers who want to hide behind the argument that Daganev's disciples are not villainous madmen but rather lewd, obtrusive slimeballs, my question is simply this: What's the difference? Even if Daganev's facts were reliable, they were gathered selectively and then manipulated towards favored conclusions.

You may be shocked to hear this, but the pen is a powerful tool. Why don't we use that tool to spread the word about Daganev's dim-witted tractates to our friends, our neighbors, our relatives, our co-workers -- even to strangers? I don't have a high opinion of imperious rabble-rousers. I'll probably devote a separate post to that topic alone, but for now, I'll simply summarize by stating that I wouldn't want to toy with our opinions. I would, on the other hand, love to navigate a safe path between the Scylla of Daganev's dour arguments and the Charybdis of masochism. But, hey, I'm already doing that with this post. I see how important Daganev's unrestrained sentiments are to his grunts and I laugh. I laugh because if you look back over some of my older posts, you'll see that I predicted that he would deprive individuals of the right to exemplify the principles of honor, duty, loyalty, and courage. And, as I predicted, he did. But you know, that was not a difficult prediction to make. Anyone who has bothered to learn even a little about Daganev could have made the same prediction. I hope I haven't bored you by writing an entire post about Daganev. Still, this post was the best way to explain to you that the ripples of reaction to Daganev's politics have spread, giving rise to universal calls to bring fresh gameplay and even-handed tolerance to the present controversy.



QUOTE(Revan @ Jul 31 2008, 11:14 AM) 539107
No no, you misunderstand. The argument is legitimate whether or not it was auto-generated.



QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 1 2008, 02:55 PM) 539559
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WHY ARE YOU ALL ROLECLAIMING ON DAY ONE!? WHAT THE BLOODY... IJHASIHFUIHWOFHOWRUHOURWGH!!!!!

Never have I seen such a huge blob of FAIL! I can't BELIEVE you people listened to Daganev's idea to MASS ROLECLAIM ON DAY ONE! Holy censor.gif you guys are naive



QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 1 2008, 03:19 PM) 539577
I'm not being emotional. I'm just wondering why you guys are being so naive.


I think you're being emotional. At the very least, illogical and spiteful.
Unknown2008-08-01 20:25:33
QUOTE(rika @ Aug 1 2008, 10:05 PM) 539567
The vote count:

daganev - 4 (Shiri, Revan, Eldritch, Lorick, okieSakana)
Shamarah - 3 (Serella, daganev, requiem)
Thul - 2 (Xenthos, Silvanus)
requiem - 2 (Thul, Arix)
Revan - 1 (shadow)
Lorick - 1 (Shayle)
okieSakana - 1 (Silferras)
Bael - 1 (daganev)


Err. you're having Daganev voting for Bael -and- Shamarah. What now?
Rika2008-08-01 20:27:35
QUOTE(shadow @ Aug 2 2008, 08:25 AM) 539581
Err. you're having Daganev voting for Bael -and- Shamarah. What now?


I have no idea what you are talking about. dry.gif
Unknown2008-08-01 20:29:10
QUOTE(rika @ Aug 1 2008, 10:27 PM) 539582
I have no idea what you are talking about. dry.gif


You just broke your own rules with that edit! Definitely scummy. Vote: Rika.
Bael2008-08-01 20:30:52
shadow is right!

Vote: rika
Daganev2008-08-01 20:32:41
QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 1 2008, 01:17 PM) 539576
Except... mass roleclaiming, even with names, leaves you more vulnerable to being targetted by Mafia. Common sense Dag... do you have it?


Which is why I said it only makes sense to roleclaim if abilities can not be intuited by names.

for example, if Fain was the doctor.

And judgeing my Requim's initial claim of Orlachmer combined with my own, and Thul's initial suggestion, it sounded like they could not.

And why exactly are you still tyring to pin this on me? Thul suggested it, Requim started roll claiming.

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I'm not being emotional. I'm just wondering why you guys are being so naive.


Naive for listening to Thul and following the lead of Requim you meant, right?

Personally, I'd trust the two of them over your ranting and irrational desire to see me offed.

I am not trying to point any fingers at either Thul or Requim, I'm just trying to make it as clear as possible to Revan here, that the mass rollclaim was NOT my idea. Nor did I push it forward. I only do this because it appears to be necessary for Revan to get past his blind hatred for me.
Silvanus2008-08-01 20:37:32
I am going out on a limb here, and really just going with my gut feeling with no evidence or backing, might be out of spite or really just that gut feeling.

Unvote: Thul
Vote: Bael
Bael2008-08-01 20:45:20
Ill respond then.

Vote: Silvanus
Thul2008-08-01 20:48:35
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Aug 1 2008, 03:37 PM) 539587
I am going out on a limb here, and really just going with my gut feeling with no evidence or backing, might be out of spite or really just that gut feeling.

Unvote: Thul
Vote: Bael


Those last two posts of his looked like nothing more than an attempt to bump up his post count in the thread, admittedly. But I think he's new to Mafia, and so a bit of leeway might be in order.

I think we're past random voting right now, however, both of you.
Unknown2008-08-01 20:57:27
QUOTE(Thul @ Aug 1 2008, 03:48 PM) 539594
Those last two posts of his looked like nothing more than an attempt to bump up his post count in the thread, admittedly. But I think he's new to Mafia, and so a bit of leeway might be in order.

I think we're past random voting right now, however, both of you.
Now, this may be the "I got two hours of sleep last night" part of my brain talking, but I'm still not seeing a lot of information to really go off of. I'm barely leaning toward Daganev and Revan as my prime suspects even with all that happened. Then again, I'm new to Mafia and it's the end of a friday workday after I got no sleep. Bleef.
Thul2008-08-01 21:07:20
To clarify, I don't think we're at the "clear and definite suspect stage." I think we're at the point where we shouldn't be making votes without some form of justification, or making OMGUS votes.

OMGUS Vote = Oh My God You Suck Vote, a vote that takes place for no other discernable reason than that the target voted for you.
Shayle2008-08-01 21:09:49
QUOTE(Thul @ Aug 1 2008, 04:48 PM) 539594
I think we're past random voting right now, however, both of you.


Uh, how exactly are we "past random voting"? I don't feel like I know anything about anyone.

I don't think Revan is acting any funnier than usual, but the blind hatred of Daganev is actually hurting more than it's helping, I think. You make a really good point that pushing a mass roleclaim on Day 1 is really suspicious and stupid, but you're raving too much for anyone to listen!

Besides, Thul is the one pushing for mass roleclaim, and requiem, who has been mostly silent, jumped on board without so much as a second thought.

I'd like to hear more from Shamarah, myself. Shammy's really good at this game: not sure why he's been so silent.

unvote:Lorick, vote: Shamarah
Lorick2008-08-01 21:14:16
I see a Shamarah, would love to hear from you.
Shamarah2008-08-01 21:16:06
Vote: requiem dot exe for starting a ridiculous, pointless, and entirely stupid bandwagon of nameclaiming. What the censor.gif are you thinking.