Too true.

Unvote : Daganev

Vote : Requiem dot Exe

You people just keep getting weirder and weirder...

Just popping in to check on things, I'm gonna be busy today and over the weekend. It seems like this mass roleclaim thing is just a blatant scum attempt to find a whole bunch of mafia tvictims all at once, and it would just slow the game down like it did last time, with everyone arguing over validity. I gotta read more posts, but FoS: whoever started it

I am torn.

On the one hand, Shamarah still isn't saying all that much.

On the other hand, his first post was defending me.

Not sure if I should unvote at this point or not.

As much as I'd like to think otherwise, I am not some kind of mafia god and my silence doesn't mean anything except that I've been rather busy lately.

well, according to this:

http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?act=...sult_type=posts

you are averaging about 4 posts a day.

I'm curious about something... everyone who's against the roleclaim, why are you only speaking up now? I'd like to think that there was ample time given to shoot the idea down before the ball got rolling.

Now, maybe I'm just irritated that people seem to be reacting venomously to this whole thing, but I'm suspicious of everyone who's only now just saying that it's a bad idea. Wouldn't it be a great scum tactic to collect as much information as you can, and then blast the idea so you don't have to claim? I'm most suspicious of Shamarah at this point, who is generally far more articulate... seriously, did you let Revan into your account or something?

Hitting Requiem for this is just outright ridiculous... I sincerely doubt he'd've ventured that sort of info on day one, before anyone else, if he were scum. If he were Bali or Visaeris I'd be rethinking that, but I don't think Requiem is so reckless as to step out into the open like that.

I have a snaking winding and over all curling suspicion that Revan is the one that needs a new neck tie and if it goes favorably for the town with that lynch then we dont have to look hungrily at thul and req. That being said I shall do this. Unvote: Daganev and Vote: Revan I am sorry if you feel wronged revan but I feel solidly that the mass name claim was fairly safe. I say this because one no one can really trust any one so surely a bad guy name shouldn't pop up. This drives mafia to make up lies to hide or avoid while at the same time if were lucky the mafia choose the name of a good god thats been claimed already or make some simmilar and equally dumb mistake.

I feel that a name is a name and in this game of deceit and cover none of it can truely be trusted however I think it is a perfect plan to get a lynch on some one being defensive and if that fails we can go back and start lynching the starters of the plan who may have been mafia and used it all as a clever ruse with names premade and whatnot.

Agreed.

unvote

Vote Revan .. for all the obvious reasons.

You know what, never mind.

Unvote

Vote : Daganev

We are playing a mafia game where the roles, names, ect are fairly well known by all. Giving out your name makes it easier for the mafia to come up with a false role in the first place. Also, while the name may or may not be a good show of what power you may or may not have, it does lend itself to a certain idea of what people are capable of. Mass name claiming only causes the mafia to lie about their role, while learning the names to not claim when they have to and allow them to pick out easier targets via the names. For example, it wouldn't be a huge jump in logic to say one of the warriors is the vig/cop. Thus, they could pick those off. See?

I'm still looking for my Bollykins! Where arrre you, Bolly!

Xenthos the bear, scary.

Dag, I'd like to hear these "obvious reasons" that you have.

Vote count!

daganev - 4 (Shiri, Revan, Eldritch, Lorick)
Revan - 4 (shadow, Thul, okieSakana, daganev)
Shamarah - 3 (Serella, requiem, Shayle)
requiem - 2 (Arix, Shamarah)
Silvanus - 1 (Bael)
Thul - 1 (Xenthos)
okieSakana - 1 (Silferras)
Bael - 1 (Silvanus)

It is 11 to lynch

... because I didn't have a chance to post? What the hell kind of question is this?

Why would I write five-page treatises when two sentences will do just as well? More importantly, when have I ever done that?



I don't necessarily think he's scum, I just think he's stupid.

Have you not been following along?

Revan accuses me of doing things when other people are the ones doing them.

He has some wierd vendetta against me, for no logical reason. I'm really not sure what I've done to him.

I didn't vote for him before because there were wiser votes to be made. (like Shamarah) I'm not like Bael and just going to vote for someone because they are attacking me. However, now that there is some reason to vote for him, I'm going to go right ahead and do so.

As Okie said, if Revan turns out to be innocent, then we can get more information from Requim and Thul and see what they have been up to. However, odds are, Revan isn't innocent.

Are you always this finiky with your voting style?

I'll follow my gut (and other people's reasoning) and Vote Revan as well. Bad vibes!

I'd like to hear from the people who haven't chimed in yet. I'm not asking that you actually role claim right now, just what do you think about the idea in general?

Here's my take on the issue. I just assumed it was going to go through. I haven't played in a while, and the last game I played in recent history involved about a third of the players roleclaiming in depth on Day 1. When someone suggested that we provide names, I figured it was a done deal.

I freely admit that I haven't read the history of the Elder Gods, and based on my gaming experience I believed that Orlachmar was Tainted or at least sided with the traitors (he was one of Fain's nine, wasn't he?). Immediately after giving my name and title, I Googled Orlachmar and read the story where Fain brought him back. I haven't figured out which is next sequentially, but it looks like the histories somewhat back me up.

Since I was conviced I was going to have to justify a scummy sounding name, I wanted to be the first to volunteer the information. I hoped it would give me a bit of credibility if I went ahead and did it first.

Honestly, I still don't think it's that bad of an idea. It gives us a checklist when people die. We don't know if we'll get full information on death, or just a name, or just a "yeah, he's dead now" post. And in terms of providing targets to the mafia, it also gives our doctor(s) the same information. So if there are two or three people likely to get hit, we have a much better chance of preventing a death at all.

So yes, I made a mistake in terms of convential wisdom, but I'm also willing to own my decision. I don't think that in this particular context it was a mistake.



*Xenthos is implying that he's Tae, but hasn't actually said so. Partially volunteering information, so he can manipulate the masses, and then change his story later is fairly typical of him though. I'm counting on him coming up with a different name later. Either when he claims or when he dies.

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Why is Lorick taking his lines directly from Shamarah? He expressed no concern about the nameclaiming at all until Shamarah told him it was a bad idea.

Unvote: Shamarah
Vote: Lorick