Lorick2008-08-02 02:25:03
And no, claiming a name is no reason to automatically trust someone... This is very out of character for you Thul. You tend to have suspicions even in the face of evidence (IE, Lets lynch Dag again!).
Shiri2008-08-02 02:27:56
QUOTE(Thul @ Aug 2 2008, 03:10 AM) 539730
I don't actually know better. I think it's been fairly well established by this point that I am an information whore... this hasn't changed over three games, now. I find I function a hell of a lot better with some solid evidence to work with, and in this case, I honestly didn't see the harm. I'm actually fairly certain that the names and stories of the Elders we're playing are not indicative of in-game powers in any obvious sense.
In any case, I think the Elders as a group can trust Daganev, Xenthos, Sakana, Requiem and Serella. That's more important than you think, especially in the case of Daganev. (Silvanus... I dunno. I don't think he meant to reveal that about himself.) Fain, Raezon, and Morgfyre didn't turn up, so I'd say that anyone who turns them up with a rolecop ability has reason to lynch them without reservation.
As for why people aren't voting for me over the massclaim thing, I would guess that I'm slated for a nightkill presently, and nobody wants a vote sitting on me when I turn up dead tomorrow morning. Shamarah's got a bad reason for going after Requiem (and seems unusually irritated about the whole thing,) Revan's bandwagoning, and Lorick's blowing with the wind.
Um. About Lorick. He seems to be totally lost right now, which I don't think is out of character. But if he suddenly becomes super-focused tomorrow (i.e. after he's potentially had a chance to talk to any scum buddies) you need to lynch him. Big time.
*wave Sakana*
In any case, I think the Elders as a group can trust Daganev, Xenthos, Sakana, Requiem and Serella. That's more important than you think, especially in the case of Daganev. (Silvanus... I dunno. I don't think he meant to reveal that about himself.) Fain, Raezon, and Morgfyre didn't turn up, so I'd say that anyone who turns them up with a rolecop ability has reason to lynch them without reservation.
As for why people aren't voting for me over the massclaim thing, I would guess that I'm slated for a nightkill presently, and nobody wants a vote sitting on me when I turn up dead tomorrow morning. Shamarah's got a bad reason for going after Requiem (and seems unusually irritated about the whole thing,) Revan's bandwagoning, and Lorick's blowing with the wind.
Um. About Lorick. He seems to be totally lost right now, which I don't think is out of character. But if he suddenly becomes super-focused tomorrow (i.e. after he's potentially had a chance to talk to any scum buddies) you need to lynch him. Big time.
*wave Sakana*
I don't think this is at all wise.
(Random comment that comes to mind: I know you are generally an information whore, but you didn't seem to like my making assumptions about Shayle's innocence after Myrkr confirmed her in the pony game, yet you're willing to believe people here on a name-only roleclaim that can be easily fabricated by anyone except probably fish guy over there.)
Firstly, if the names of Elders weren't useful, WHY WOULD YOU ASK FOR THEM. In reality they're highly likely to be tied to the role. Mine certainly is. The only way I wouldn't be surprised if most people's weren't is if they were vanilla (hard to find a god role that fits with that, I guess?) I wouldn't trust any of those people off the name they've given alone, least of all Requiem, who (if he was telling the truth about being Orlachmar) could be innocent but could also be providing an accurate name-claim so he doesn't have to change his story later, but is still soulless...or something. Silvanus is the only one I would consider since unless he started playing sharper than he has been, he wouldn't have been able to fabricate a claim like that.
People almost never withhold votes based on whether they think you're up for a nightkill...and you don't particularly look up for a nightkill from where I'm standing anyway, as you haven't volunteered anything useful to the town yet. Paranoia about whether you're going to be nightkilled is not a good sign. As for Shamarah, his reason for req was basically that he started this only-scum-really-benefit roleclaim chain, you'll notice he did the same thing in Balizar's last game when Daganev, Visaeris and a couple others all full roleclaimed day 1. I would rather go after you than req since you started it and he just followed on, but I can see Sham's reasoning I guess. Revan is doing something similar it appears but I don't remember him doing that kind of thing in the past. Eh.
As for Lorick, reserving judgement on him.
Shiri2008-08-02 02:28:40
In fact, Unvote: Daganev, Vote: Thul. Poor judgement aside the inconsistency and scum tells are too loud for me to ignore there.
Unknown2008-08-02 02:33:15
I don't see Shamarah's reaction as anything unusual. He had a similar reaction last game.
I still think it really odd that Lorick basically point blank asked Shamarah what to do. Is that normal for him? He seemed fairly cool-headed, if quiet, in the last game.
I guess Revan would be my runner up for suspicious behavior. If the pressure keeps building, I guess I'll switch, but I really do see Lorick as acting the oddest right now.
I still think it really odd that Lorick basically point blank asked Shamarah what to do. Is that normal for him? He seemed fairly cool-headed, if quiet, in the last game.
I guess Revan would be my runner up for suspicious behavior. If the pressure keeps building, I guess I'll switch, but I really do see Lorick as acting the oddest right now.
Arix2008-08-02 02:36:52
I'm trying not to assume Lorick is suspicious just because he was mafia in his last two games. I am under the impression that roles were assigned at random and he just had luck of the draw
Lorick2008-08-02 02:37:30
People were talking about him posting, which was what I brought up. Shamarah hadn't been, now he was. And yeah, Req is usually very forward with claims, regardless of side. Hrm..
Unvote : Daganev
Vote : Thul
Unvote : Daganev
Vote : Thul
Lorick2008-08-02 02:39:54
What I would like to know is why you are trying to make it seem like I was taking orders from Sham?
Arix2008-08-02 02:41:25
Because it's Day 1 of a Mafia game and therefore fingers will be pointed?
Lorick2008-08-02 02:42:13
True enough.
Unknown2008-08-02 02:46:29
This has been an interesting turn of events. I haven't played many Mafia games with everyone else here so I can't draw any reasonings from that. However, I'm seeing some 'groups' forming. My vote still remains, but I have my eyes on Lorick, and... Shiri
Shiri2008-08-02 02:52:22
QUOTE(Shou @ Aug 2 2008, 03:46 AM) 539751
This has been an interesting turn of events. I haven't played many Mafia games with everyone else here so I can't draw any reasonings from that. However, I'm seeing some 'groups' forming. My vote still remains, but I have my eyes on Lorick, and... Shiri
What kind of reasoning is this going to turn out to be, "He's accusing someone I trust"?
Lorick2008-08-02 02:53:31
It's funny sometimes the reasoning you run into.
Lorick2008-08-02 02:54:46
Especially the all favorite "Lets just lynch someone so we can get to night and move on."...I hate that reasoning.
Arix2008-08-02 02:55:24
at Thul for starting the roleclaim thing
Shiri2008-08-02 02:56:20
QUOTE(Lorick @ Aug 2 2008, 03:54 AM) 539756
Especially the all favorite "Lets just lynch someone so we can get to night and move on."...I hate that reasoning.
To be fair, sometimes people just don't get it and will stall day 1 forever if you don't do that. Later on it gets retarded though.
Thul2008-08-02 03:05:48
I've made it quite clear that I consider the massclaim thing my gambit, and a number of people stuck their necks out for that. I think it highly unlikely that the scum would be among the first to jump out at that sort of thing. Of course, there's the possibility that I'm entirely wrong... that happened last game with Daganev (although the second time was Revan's fault for being unable to say outright that he'd rezzed the dwarf which would've stopped the whole deal right off) but I think that the people who stepped forward have little to hide. That's worthy of a bit of trust in my books, or at least passing over for the first round of lynch votes.
Of course, trustworthiness changes depending on events and revelations. As usual.
I was actually trying to determine whether names are relevant or not... There's a difference between ability and allegiance. I don't know what Maylea's schtick is in-game, but it can't be what I've got listed here. On the other hand, she still wins with the Elder Gods. That and the fact that none of the "traitor" gods came forward lead credence to my feeling that we're looking for that bunch (and don't have to worry about that "Fain is our doctor" scenario I was worried about earlier.)
Lorick, the blowing with the wind thing? Yeah. It also really looks like you're trying to boost your post count without adding anything relevant.
Of course, trustworthiness changes depending on events and revelations. As usual.
I was actually trying to determine whether names are relevant or not... There's a difference between ability and allegiance. I don't know what Maylea's schtick is in-game, but it can't be what I've got listed here. On the other hand, she still wins with the Elder Gods. That and the fact that none of the "traitor" gods came forward lead credence to my feeling that we're looking for that bunch (and don't have to worry about that "Fain is our doctor" scenario I was worried about earlier.)
Lorick, the blowing with the wind thing? Yeah. It also really looks like you're trying to boost your post count without adding anything relevant.
Unknown2008-08-02 03:44:39
Lorrick is especially quite but lets face it were not moving anywhere and I doubt he will be so dispicably unlucky to be mafia three times in a row lol. Come now if he is mafia this game I will make a note to always lynch him quickly as he just lacks the ability to make large incongruent mistakes like lurking to much or makeing it to obvious like jigan did in the care bear game. All I am saying is maybe lorrick is playing funny because he not used to a townie role and thus has to do far less word wiggling.
Revan2008-08-02 04:05:45
QUOTE(okieSakana @ Aug 1 2008, 11:44 PM) 539783
Lorrick is especially quite but lets face it were not moving anywhere and I doubt he will be so dispicably unlucky to be mafia three times in a row lol. Come now if he is mafia this game I will make a note to always lynch him quickly as he just lacks the ability to make large incongruent mistakes like lurking to much or makeing it to obvious like jigan did in the care bear game. All I am saying is maybe lorrick is playing funny because he not used to a townie role and thus has to do far less word wiggling.
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Unvote
Please tell me we're allowed to lynch people who can't write coherent sentences. please? Anyone? Ah screw it
Vote: okieSakana
Shiri2008-08-02 04:09:03
That was coherent, only the "lol" and a need to put NOT before "make incongruent" really spoiled it. And the spelling errors.
Lorick2008-08-02 04:16:10
Eh, don't be lynching people based on how they spell. It is silly.