Ninjaed by Silvanus---

Yeah, I was thinking about that as well. I know in Shamarah's game the newbies were one mafia, while the more experienced players were the other. Not sure how it might be going in this one.

The existence of a cult isn't impossible but you're making a mistake assuming both groups are on a train each. Even if they weren't spreading their votes around, it could easily be 1 innocent + 1 scum/cult, or even 2 innocents.

Well I was just sort of hoping.

All I have to say is let's hope there's not a jester.

Not ruling out people voting with mafia. I might be doing so myself right now. However, the ease in which acquired the current situation and the fact that everyone has voted at least once does point to either scum voting against other scum, or the fact we are potentially lynching townies. What do you think Shiri?

Don't even speak such evil!

Previous post was directed at the jester comment

Oh jeez, I hope not. Although I wonder which god they would make the jester? I already have Terentia pegged as the SK, seeing as how Magnagorans haven't been invented yet and she has to take out her frustration on SOMEONE...

What? There's -always- a higher probability of lynching a townie than a scum if you don't take into account things like...how scummy what they're saying is. But Thul is saying scummy-sounding things and pulling potentially harmful gambits on us, so...

I'll let the Revan-voting bandwagon speak for itself since I'm not on it.

Well I'm off for now. I'll probably be on again tomorrow evening, and off Sunday as usual

Two of you people not on the Thul/Revan trains, switch to one of those (preferably the Thul one) unless you have a reallly convincing reason for trusting whoever you're voting less than one of those two.

I still think that Thul is most suspicious. My longer post earlier has the three quotes that have Lorick asking Shamarah for input, and then immediately following suit. I don't really have enough of a feel for Shamarah yet to necessarily draw the conclusion that he's scum. Lorick might have just been seeking advice from a known strong player to guide his actions, so it doesn't really imply anything other than my impression of shadiness.

Given my reasoning previously stated, I don't really see what Thul did as all that scummy. But I also don't see Revan as more suspect than Lorick, either.

I'll give it until later tomorrow (I have a 9 hour defensive driving class, followed by a bachelor party, followed by work at the crack of dawn which covers the next day and a half where I'll be posting little if at all) and then I'll choose one of the two. A couple people are fingering Lorick right now. Or maybe Shayle just did it more than once. Any chance you'd consider changing your vote?

Well, knowing how the town acts from previous games, and without me Revan's claim might end up looking bad, and considering I will not be around until the day after the next, I'm going to go ahead and nip this in the bud.

I'm a part of the mason group in this game, along with Revan, and I am Amberle. I have no powers other than being able to communicate with others in the group. We are united in our fight against the Twelve and the Soulless, meaning we have two opposing groups of scum. Revan is innocent, and lynching him is pointless. Investigate him if you want, but it is a waste to lynch day 1.

Which means that lynching you is just as good as lynching Revan? Anyone want to switch now? Especially since the entire reason people think Thul is scummy is because he asked for names. As opposed to the full roleclaim you just offered without pressure.

Granted, I understand you're assuming Revan is going to need to claim, but still. You just volunteered information unnecessarily, which is why you suspect the people that you do.

Ok, I know that makes it sound like I'm being intentionally obtuse, but I'm not. You being Mason doesn't remove the reasons I find you suspicious, and isn't a huge loss to the town if we're wrong. A lot of people think Revan is scum and I can potentially convince them to kill you instead, since I like you best for murder 1. And even if I suddenly decided that Thul was scummy, I couldn't vote to lynch him if I wanted to. Shiri/Shamarah/Revan would be all over me like ants on the Apple of Dischord.

So given the options of voting for Revan or Thul, I still think the best solution is killing you. Besides, like I said, killing part of a 2 person Mason group isn't a huge loss, especially if we can confirm the other half because of it.

...You'd rather off someone you thought was town than someone you thought was scum, because you are worried how Revan/Shiri would respond?

Req, offing town members is never a good strategy for the long term of the game. And those arguements are... flawed. Me being a mason should mean you would have less suspicion, and thus not vote, or think I'm lying and thus vote. There isn't a middle ground of he is a mason, but I should lynch him anyways.

I never said it was a 2 man mason group. If other individuals want to come forward, they are welcome to, but I'm not going to out them unless the town starts going on a rampage.

Anyways getting a scummy feeling here from Thul?

....I mean Req of course. I hate being unable to edit.

Last vote count for the day.

Revan - 7 (shadow, Thul, okieSakana, daganev, Shou, Saaga, Silferras)
Thul - 7 (Xenthos, Shiri, Lorick, Revan, Shayle, Arix, Zetsu)
Silvanus - 1 (Bael)
Shamarah - 1 (Serella)
Lorick - 1 (requiem)
daganev - 1 (Eldritch)
requiem - 1 (Shamarah)
Bael - 1 (Silvanus)

It is 11 to lynch. G'night!

Now the real question is whether Lorick's claim can be trusted, isn't it.....

What?

Obviously you missed it. I think you're lying. My point was that even if I'm wrong, the loss of a 2 man mason group isn't really a big deal, and it means we have a confirmed townie. And yes, I read where you said it wasn't necessarily only 2 people, I'm just explaining my last post.

Also, I still don't think Thul is all that scummy. My point was that even if I did think so, there's no way I could that quiickly from following his suggestion full speed to voting to lynch him without slating myself for day 2 lynch.

I might change my mind at some point, but given what we have to go on right now, I'm not getting the scum sense from Thul.

So since our options are you or Revan, and I don't think it's really either of them, I'm picking you. Still. Of course, you made it easier by essentially stating that by killing you, we can confirm Revan's loyalty. So anyone voting for him could just as easily vote for you instead, unless you have a better reason not to.

Also, towards the cop, I'd suggest investigating Lorick rather than Revan. It should do the same thing, and it's possible for cult leaders and godfathers to appear loyal to the town.