Vote: Saaga

I don't have any solid proof (not that anyone could have one on day one) but I've been considering voting her for a while and reading back on the posts -all- I see from her is bandwagoning once the votes tilt in a certain direction. There's also never particularly great reasoning mentioned either. So yeah... imo as good as voting for Thul at this point, I'm still not entirely convinced of his scummy / un-scummyness though..

Well, I voted for Thul as a random thing to begin with. Planned to remove it, but he says he wants to write out a full defense or something now, so I'll let him finish that. Then I'll probably drop it, unless he puts up something that raises the "lynch him!" flag.

He's been writing for a while now.... this is gonna be long.

I was about to vote Thul when he first suggested his mass roleclaim but Revan's auto-generated rant convinced me to vote him instead. Now that he claims he's Amberle (which I am not sure if I buy), it's the original choice for me. Also, I still am suspecting Revan.

Frankly, I can't have great reasoning yet - it's the very first day, not that I have much information on ANYONE. I can't help but to point the FoS on those that I believe are/were playing unwisely or in I don't like - Revan with his auto-rant and Thul with his mass roleclaim. Sure, but not on the first day.

oh no, not a auto-rant. Whatever will the world do, Saaga? Surely the auto-rant will destroy us all and render the world an inhospitable wasteland of misery. Alas, the auto-rant will thwart thee, Saaga, but fear not! Take arms against the auto-rant that you may slay the filthy beast at its loins! Yea verily shall doth yon auto-rant be crumpled t many heaps of debris and residue which gass of clouds be naught ought fooned for thine acclimated tombadgery! Forsooth, young Saaga! Leve the auto-rant be for what it is, an auto-rant... nothing more!

I don't like auto-anythings. Thus wilt the oblivion devour thee, suspected scum.

That... is extremely unhelpful. And designed to make people want to vote for you just to make it stop. It's worse than what you accuse Daganev of!

Fun fact: This is actually the first lynch train I've ever had to defend myself from. This will be long, and fairly detailed, but I hope you can all get through this, as it would be really bad if you're letting two or three people do all your thinking.

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I'll start off with the hard facts. Everyone get out your roles, and be sure to look this section over critically. Before Lorick points this out, I am quite capable of fabricating a roleclaim, and I like to even think that I'm good at it. So you should all look really hard at the details to determine whether it's valid or not. Also, keep in mind that it is Day 1, there are no other roles available for my perusal, and that I was among the first to claim, so if I were lying about my name, I would have been at serious risk of hitting a duplicate entry.

With that in mind...

I am Maylea, the Bloom of Serenity. I value the Elder Gods' freedom. I fight the Soulless and the Twelve (whoever they are, I'm behind on canon) and I win with the other Elder Gods.

I'm a Fourth Circle artist, but I somehow ended up with a vengeance-type ability. If I am nightkilled, I let loose a bunch of seeds and kill my attacker with flowers. This ability auto-activates and has no name.

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My listed ability is why I saw no real problem in going around and nameclaiming... it's totally random in relation to the character. It's also why I've had no real problem letting everyone know that I have an ability. I was vaguely looking forward to gib-blooming someone, but I'm not going to do anyone any good if I get hung. Or daykilled, theoretically.

I still don't think the massclaim was as terrible an idea as Revan and Shamarah believe. Shiri's about the only person who's given a logical explanation as to the why of it, as a matter of fact. It might've been a bad move... I'm quite capable of screwing up. And if that's the case, someone experienced needs to PM me after the game's over with proper Day 1 procedures. But in general, I don't think the maneuver warrants the RAWRDEATH response it's garnered, and I suspect that the majority of the people on this train are either being thoughtless or malicious. Let's have a look at the reasoning:

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I've got Xenthos, Shiri, Lorick, Revan, Shayle, Arix, Zetsu, Silferras and Saaga on me.

Arix, Zetsu, Silferras and Saaga are on me for starting the roleclaim train. Fair enough, I did. Arix and Zetsu have provided little or no logic for doing so, and I doubt that, put on the spot, they could explain why it's a bad thing. Saaga has expressed only vague reservations about the deal. Silferras is the only one of the four who seems to have put some thought into the matter.

Revan has not provided any logic for anything he's done this game, most likely because he isn't acting with any. My vote sits on him because he seemed to be acting with unusual and open malice towards Daganev. Lorick's voting history can largely be viewed as a matter of convenience, and there's some evidence to suggest that he's following Shamarah blindly. Lorick has, however, shown more thinking ability as of late, and has claimed mason along with Revan...

I was highly suspicious of both of them at first, and I'm dubious about the mason thing. But for now I'm going to Unvote: Revan and leave it up to an investigator or vigilante to determine whether Lorick and Revan are scum or not... go after Revan first, Lorick's actually been insightful lately, and was the first to volunteer potentially self-harming information, so I'm less inclined to believe that he's scum. In either case, they're indisputably part of a block.

I don't know what Xenthos's logic is at this point... I'm reading his initial vote on me as largely random, but I don't know if that's changed. It's been sitting on me for a while though.

Shayle's mentioned inconsistency in my M.O. as a reason for voting. As I stated, I think my information whore thing has been quite consistent over all the games I've played. If it's a question of why I'm trusting people now after the Daganev incident last game... well, if you actually look back over that, I repeatedly explained my logic about why I thought he'd been reanimated warlock, and repeatedly offered a way in which someone might come forward and clear my suspicion. It's hardly my fault that a certain individual left Daganev out to dry like that, and so I don't think that the "distrustful" tag I've been stuck with is valid.

Shiri. You've offered your points, I've offered my logic behind my maneuvers in previous posts. You don't seem convinced of my reasoning, which is fair, as you've at least thought hard about it, so all I can really offer is my roleclaim above for you to pass judgment.

The point of going over all this was to point out that aside from Shiri, there's a certain lack of concrete basis among my voters for putting me on the train in the first place. Xenthos, Arix, Zetsu, Silferras and Saaga just seem to be along for the ride, Lorick and Revan are possible scum (and Revan's just downright unhelpful in any case,) and Shayle's operating off of bad information.

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I think that's enough for the moment. I'll answer questions or comments if you have them.

unvote: Thul as I said I was going to... but you do have a huge wall of text there.

We could hit Revan to verify Lorick, but... I'd really prefer that he stop posting autogenerated, nonsensical rants that are 500x worse than the thing he's trying to argue against and actually participate logically, since I do buy Lorick's claim. And, given that, it means I kind of have to accept Revan's, as much as I don't want to at this point given his current style.

That's an awesome ability I was hesitant to role claim because my role isn't as random. And if Thul is telling the truth, which I think he is, then his mass roleclaiming idea would've been an excellent opportunity for the mafia to take advantage of and that's where my suspicions lie mainly. I'm good with investigating Lorick or Revan on night 1 too, though not sure who I would vote for now.

Alright, well see how much I can get through, but this might get randomly abbreviated when break ends.

My suspicion of Lorick hasn't really gone away. While he's right that he put out potentially self-destructive information extremely quickly, the fact that he's using it as an excuse doesn't necessarily make it valid. It is a more dangerous gamble than he used in the last game, but I don't know enough about him to tell if it's something he'd try. Plus there's a first time for everything. All this really does is create a "wine in front of me" situation where we ahave to figure out if the fact that it's probably a bad defense makes a really good one instead.

The reason I unvoted is because it really does work out to being a bad idea provided they're investigated tonight. So it's more to our benefit to leave it until tomorrow, in case they really are town.


@Lorick: It's not so much that I'm dismissing Mason groups, as that I find the utility of a confirmed townie about as useful as a potential 2 man group

Req, remember the / in the second block of whatever you're trying to italicize or bold. Your last Unvote wasn't done right either.

I can confirm that Lorick's description of the 2-person mason group (2 people, he has no power, the gods are related in the histories) is pretty much spot-on with my own role, and given that he came out with it first (before the mechanics or even the possibility should have been known to the traitors), I'm much more inclined to go accept it. Especially since the breadcrumbs I was trying to drop in regards to my counterpart should have muddied up the water for any such claim (it was intended to entice someone into claiming they were Bolly as an "easy claim" during the mass-claim session, but nobody bit).

... I'm actually really not sure what the point of the thing is. I guess it's a tiny bit better than just being plain vanilla, but still. There's not much to do with it.

Xen, I only did that once. Tsk

So that last bit of yours I quoted wasn't an auto-rant, meaning that you specifically went out of your way to post nonsense?

I think I'm happier just pretending that it was also an auto-rant.

Morning everyone!

Like Thul said, remember to bold your votes and unvotes (and any day actions if you ever choose to use them)

Vote count time!

Thul - 8 (Shiri, Lorick, Revan, Shayle, Arix, Zetsu, Silferras, Saaga)
Revan - 3 (okieSakana, daganev, Shou)
Silvanus - 1 (Bael)
Shamarah - 1 (Serella)
Lorick - 1 (requiem)
daganev - 1 (Eldritch)
requiem - 1 (Shamarah)
Saaga - 1 (shadow)
Bael - 1 (Silvanus)

It is 11 to lynch.

Xenthos, yeah, it's fairly lengthy, but it contains a fair bit of information, analysis and explanation that I felt I needed to put down.

If I hear "TL;DR" from any of you, I swear that they will never find your body.

So... Revan, you planning on adding anything relevant to this game at any point in the future? Did you read what I wrote? Do you not care? Do you think that vitriol is all we need out of you? I'd like to see a contribution. It's only Lorick's vouch that's made me get off of you, and you're making me actively reconsider about three seconds later.

I'll be back a bit later. Waiting for your responses.

Sorry about the syntax issues. I'm posting from my phone sopainfully slow to preview posts before I submit them.

I finally got my certificate. 9 hours of pure tedium because of an improper left turn makes baby Judas cry.

I'm off to bed. G'night!

I finnally got back on to read a bit. Now I have a few things to point out one revan isnt amberle lorrick is revan is that other name you all got that a bit backwards. Two At NO POINT did lorrick ever ever say he was a two man mason group he simply broke it down on him and revan sparing possibly a third from being found and murdered also as a known mason as a mason groups normal 3 man voting block of confirmed townies is nothing to laugh about. Now with all this said the only person really ontop of them still is req. I think a solid coarse of action would be to lynch req and if he isn't scum then we can lynch revan or lorrick to confirm their townieness. I believe this would be a very solid way to start our first lynch as it gives us a good go of thoughts to follow. this being said. Unvote: Revan Vote: Requiem dot exe *blubity BluB*