Shiri2008-08-03 00:52:26
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Aug 3 2008, 01:09 AM) 540135
I did leave my breadcrumbs, and though I haven't identified Bollikin, it would be pretty stupid for anyone but the real one to claim it now.
I've also given out the mechanics for my situation, used as support for your own.
I've also given out the mechanics for my situation, used as support for your own.
This makes me suspicious because two mason groups would be weird, if not implausible...and you made out that you miss Bollikin, as if you didn't know where he is or something. Or as if he isn't here.
Lorick2008-08-03 00:57:44
Or inactive. Which, considering everyone voted, isn't likely.
Xenthos2008-08-03 00:58:31
QUOTE(Shiri @ Aug 2 2008, 08:52 PM) 540147
This makes me suspicious because two mason groups would be weird, if not implausible...and you made out that you miss Bollikin, as if you didn't know where he is or something. Or as if he isn't here.
I believe I already explained that earlier, as an attempt to see if anyone would jump on the "easy roleclaim" (which would have nixed one of them right away). Unfortunately, nobody bit, but it was definitely laying the groundwork for the reveal of Bollikin, if/when he feels like coming out of hiding. And, if Lorick's claim is true, there are indeed (at least) two Mason groups that can do nothing but talk to their own groupmate (or potentially mates in Lorick and Revan's case). The fact that he's not willing to pin down some of the relevant details after I both fully claimed and gave the mechanics of my own group is definitely concerning me, however.
Lorick2008-08-03 00:59:37
...You haven't fully claimed, I don't know why you are making it out like you have.
Xenthos2008-08-03 01:00:04
QUOTE(Lorick @ Aug 2 2008, 08:59 PM) 540152
...You haven't fully claimed, I don't know why you are making it out like you have.
I have, indeed.
Shiri2008-08-03 01:00:15
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Aug 3 2008, 01:58 AM) 540151
I believe I already explained that earlier, as an attempt to see if anyone would jump on the "easy roleclaim" (which would have nixed one of them right away). Unfortunately, nobody bit, but it was definitely laying the groundwork for the reveal of Bollikin, if/when he feels like coming out of hiding. And, if Lorick's claim is true, there are indeed (at least) two Mason groups that can do nothing but talk to their own groupmate (or potentially mates in Lorick and Revan's case). The fact that he's not willing to pin down some of the relevant details after I both fully claimed and gave the mechanics of my own group is definitely concerning me, however.
Ok, I understand the first bit now and will dismiss it. What post did you get the information you're claiming Lorick said from again?
Lorick2008-08-03 01:02:01
Uh, unless I missed something about abilities somewhere, you haven't fully claimed.
Unknown2008-08-03 01:02:16
quote to us again your full mechanics reveal again then please -.-
Unknown2008-08-03 01:04:34
... I didn't understand Xenthos' post #333 either *dumb*
Unknown2008-08-03 01:05:51
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Aug 2 2008, 03:37 PM) 540014
I can confirm that Lorick's description of the 2-person mason group (2 people, he has no power, the gods are related in the histories) is pretty much spot-on with my own role, and given that he came out with it first (before the mechanics or even the possibility should have been known to the traitors), I'm much more inclined to go accept it. Especially since the breadcrumbs I was trying to drop in regards to my counterpart should have muddied up the water for any such claim (it was intended to entice someone into claiming they were Bolly as an "easy claim" during the mass-claim session, but nobody bit).
... I'm actually really not sure what the point of the thing is. I guess it's a tiny bit better than just being plain vanilla, but still. There's not much to do with it.
... I'm actually really not sure what the point of the thing is. I guess it's a tiny bit better than just being plain vanilla, but still. There's not much to do with it.
I think this is the post where Xenthos is claiming. I think...
Xenthos2008-08-03 01:05:52
QUOTE(Lorick @ Aug 2 2008, 03:23 AM) 539854
Well, knowing how the town acts from previous games, and without me Revan's claim might end up looking bad, and considering I will not be around until the day after the next, I'm going to go ahead and nip this in the bud.
I'm a part of the mason group in this game, along with Revan, and I am Amberle. I have no powers other than being able to communicate with others in the group. We are united in our fight against the Twelve and the Soulless, meaning we have two opposing groups of scum. Revan is innocent, and lynching him is pointless. Investigate him if you want, but it is a waste to lynch day 1.
I'm a part of the mason group in this game, along with Revan, and I am Amberle. I have no powers other than being able to communicate with others in the group. We are united in our fight against the Twelve and the Soulless, meaning we have two opposing groups of scum. Revan is innocent, and lynching him is pointless. Investigate him if you want, but it is a waste to lynch day 1.
This is the first one I'm referencing.
And the following is a post I completely missed, or I wouldn't have posted what I did afterwards...
QUOTE(Lorick @ Aug 2 2008, 07:19 AM) 539893
...You'd rather off someone you thought was town than someone you thought was scum, because you are worried how Revan/Shiri would respond?
Req, offing town members is never a good strategy for the long term of the game. And those arguements are... flawed. Me being a mason should mean you would have less suspicion, and thus not vote, or think I'm lying and thus vote. There isn't a middle ground of he is a mason, but I should lynch him anyways.
I never said it was a 2 man mason group. If other individuals want to come forward, they are welcome to, but I'm not going to out them unless the town starts going on a rampage.
Anyways getting a scummy feeling here from Thul?
Req, offing town members is never a good strategy for the long term of the game. And those arguements are... flawed. Me being a mason should mean you would have less suspicion, and thus not vote, or think I'm lying and thus vote. There isn't a middle ground of he is a mason, but I should lynch him anyways.
I never said it was a 2 man mason group. If other individuals want to come forward, they are welcome to, but I'm not going to out them unless the town starts going on a rampage.
Anyways getting a scummy feeling here from Thul?
And yes, you did indeed miss something about abilities somewhere, Lorick-- y'know, in that whole part where I was defending your claim because it was the same as my own. Except for the mysterious extra members...
Lorick2008-08-03 01:09:00
Ah, forgive me, I was being a tad thick. So are you or are you not claiming a two man mason group, just so we are clear?
Xenthos2008-08-03 01:10:54
QUOTE(Lorick @ Aug 2 2008, 09:09 PM) 540161
Ah, forgive me, I was being a tad thick. So are you or are you not claiming a two man mason group, just so we are clear?
I am pretty sure that I came straight out and said that, yes. And now that I've found that other post, I'm wishing I had been a bit more circumspect and tried to lead you around to a full claim on numbers before I started posting support for you and Revan.
Oh well. A bit late now.
Lorick2008-08-03 01:13:32
Not really sure what to make with it, but it matches us. Two man cells.
Unknown2008-08-03 01:14:38
QUOTE(Vincini)
But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemies? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool--you would have counted on it--so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me!
Basically it comes down to whether or not we believe that since Mafia claiming Masons is such a bad idea, Thul might do it, hoping that we'd believe him intelligent enough not to do it.
Of course, I stand by what I said earlier. It's a terrible idea, but only if someone actually investigates Lorick. Otherwise they can make it days before anyone suspects them again, if not the entire game. It's a gambit yes, but if it pays off, then it might win them the game by itself. So I still think we should lynch someone else, and then take care of Lorick/Revan tomorrow if necessary.
Vote: Sakana
Shiri2008-08-03 01:16:38
QUOTE(requiem dot exe @ Aug 3 2008, 02:14 AM) 540165
Basically it comes down to whether or not we believe that since Mafia claiming Masons is such a bad idea, Thul might do it, hoping that we'd believe him intelligent enough not to do it.
Of course, I stand by what I said earlier. It's a terrible idea, but only if someone actually investigates Lorick. Otherwise they can make it days before anyone suspects them again, if not the entire game. It's a gambit yes, but if it pays off, then it might win them the game by itself. So I still think we should lynch someone else, and then take care of Lorick/Revan tomorrow if necessary.
Vote: Sakana
Of course, I stand by what I said earlier. It's a terrible idea, but only if someone actually investigates Lorick. Otherwise they can make it days before anyone suspects them again, if not the entire game. It's a gambit yes, but if it pays off, then it might win them the game by itself. So I still think we should lynch someone else, and then take care of Lorick/Revan tomorrow if necessary.
Vote: Sakana
Thul didn't claim mason.
And Xenthos started the game right out with "looking for Bollikin", and his reasoning makes sense in hindsight. Thul claimed nightkill-lashback with an incompatible character.
Lorick2008-08-03 01:17:14
Heh, sorry about that Xenthos. I couldn't tell from before if you were just being weird with bolly, and the thought never really struck me there might be two masons.. Hrm..
Lorick2008-08-03 01:20:26
Hmm.. With all these mason groups, and considering no one is stepping forward to challenge Xenthos's day 1 claim... I'm thinking the likelyhood of a cult is much greater than I was previously considering. What about you guys?
Unknown2008-08-03 01:22:25
QUOTE(Shiri @ Aug 2 2008, 09:16 PM) 540166
Thul didn't claim mason.
And Xenthos started the game right out with "looking for Bollikin", and his reasoning makes sense in hindsight. Thul claimed nightkill-lashback with an incompatible character.
And Xenthos started the game right out with "looking for Bollikin", and his reasoning makes sense in hindsight. Thul claimed nightkill-lashback with an incompatible character.
Definitely meant Lorick, not Thul.
Shiri2008-08-03 01:23:24
QUOTE(Lorick @ Aug 3 2008, 02:20 AM) 540169
Hmm.. With all these mason groups, and considering no one is stepping forward to challenge Xenthos's day 1 claim... I'm thinking the likelyhood of a cult is much greater than I was previously considering. What about you guys?
It's quite possible that we have a cult but I don't see why you think the mason stuff has anything to do with it. Unless Rika's made another bizarre "cult" that isn't a cult, a cult is one-person-only on day 1!