unvote

Why ware we voting for Revan? Lorick (or someone else, I forget now) vouched for each other that they are masons...

I'm going to Vote Eldritch

For the same reasons that I voted for Saaga yesterday. He is quite, and I keep forget he is playing, and keep forgetting he exists even. Must be some Soulless Jedi mind trick.

As I said before this game's night, Revan is on my list of highly suspicious individuals. As such, I'm going to put a little pressure on him to give us a little activity and something to ease my own mind on the matter. Vote: Revan. Also, curse you all to beating me to the punch. Freaking lunch breaks...

The timing of that was...hilarious.

The part that I'm hung up on, is where you specifically said "Can't. Not won't or shouldn't." Now you're just saying that you wouldn't tell us, that it wouldn't be safe to tell us, or that you just didn't feel like telling us. None of those equate to can't. Can't, for those who've never had a mother, means you're actually incapable of doing something, rather than merely abiding by a personal or moral/authority restriction. Basically, absent a posting restriction where Rika told you you weren't allowed to reveal your role, you were lying. Liars get lynched.

Vote: Shou

Requiem, you make a decent point. However, I'm not going to consider voting for Shou at the time. He's suspicious, I'll grant, but he is putting a foot forward. Shou, mind extrapolating on that roleclaim? Maybe a power to go with it to substantiate it further rather than just a name that hasn't appeared on our current list?

How do you know they're not mafia with that guise?

And how does that give them permission to avoid posting?

I'm leaving my vote; I want to hear from Revan.

Oh! Something I meant to mention in my other post but got distracted by my assertive man-voice, I was looking over the roles on the MafiaScum wiki and came across the lovers. That's what I was thinking of, but it'd been a long time since I'd read the specific mechanics. Basically it plays out like a two man mason group (Revan/Lorick...?) except neither knows the alignment of the other. Sometimes they're two innocents, and sometimes it's a town/scum pair. Usually in a town/scum pair they either have the stipulation that if one of them dies, the other one commits suicide the following night (called siblings) or the townie is told that the other one is innocent as well.

If Lorick and Revan are a lover pair (especially given the nature of the characters they've claimed, it seems likely) then it would be possible for Lorick to claim mason, and Revan to vouch for him. Especially since Revan was the suspected one at the time, if we lynch him it essentially confirms Lorick's innocence. I've been saying all along that I don't really get scummy vibes from Revan, but I think Lorick is suspicious.

Now I'm torn between the "lynch all liars" rule and the fact that there is a set of roles that confirms something I've felt since the beginning of the game, but couldn't figure out how to justify in game mechanics.

Because that would be a stupid thing to do, unless they are just playing chicken.

I guess we can lynch one and we'll find out. No real harm in that I guess.

unvote Eldritch (such interesting timing... )

Vote Revan

This might be the case for Xenthos (tae) and Bolli.

Gah. Also, I'd like to apologize for my posting schedule to some degree. I had some difficulties, which I mentioned in retrospect, and then I have this thing called a job. I tend to try to go to sleep at around 11:00 PM CST and then won't be posting until about 11:00 AM CST due to sleep/getting ready for work/going to work/working. My lunch break is variable and my ability to post during the workday depends quite highly on my workload. I'm usually aroundish for 45 minutes or so for lunch. After that, I probably won't check the boards until 6:00 PM CST, when I get home and get settled. That's just how having a job goes. Sorry if it looks like inactivity.

psht, I have a job to

Dag, your timing disturbs me. Seems I can't make a post in response to you without you already having posted while I'm making it today.

True. But that has nothing to do with whether or not it's the case for Revan/Lorick. My main point in posting that was because I've been saying for a long time that I don't get scummy vibes from Revan (except the lurking...) but I do from Lorick. And people keep saying what a retarded claim Mason is for the mafia to make, but this setup not only allows Lorick-as-scum to claim Mason while allowing Revan to take the fall in confirming Lorick innocent, but it's not just a convoluted scenario I dreamed up.

@Eldritch: That was me last game. I was juggling school and work and not having a computer all at the same time. So I had to post after class, or on my Wii. And it's hard to make lists on a Wii.

So I for one am ok with sparse posting, as long as we hear from you regularly, even if not often.

Psh, I'm post from my job right now.

I'd really like to know what it is that Shou's afraid to say. He claims his role ties in with his ability... Eventru is a leader rather than a healer in and of himself, so I highly doubt he's a doctor. Investigator wouldn't work, even before you take into account the quality of Shiri's ability, which makes me think that Shiri's all that we've got. I can't think of what other role would make him feel that degree of self-concern.

Leaving my vote where it is, though I am highly suspicious of Revan at this point. Waiting for an investigation on him or Sakana. Though a lot of people seem to be lying low... want to hear from everyone today before we do anything.

Req's got an interesting theory with the Lovers... which would make a hell of a lot more sense than having two mason groups in Xenthos/whoever and Lorick/Revan (although I'm honestly a bit suspect of Xenthos.) It might explain Revan's unnaturally unhelpful behavior, too...

Ah, so what you are saying is that we should be lynching Lorick instead of Revan.

Then when Lorick comes up scum we will know that Revan is innocent? Couldn't Revan be scum also?

It would appear from your suggestion that either way, we would have to investigate/lynch both of them "just to be sure."

... sounds scummy to me.

Ok don't have much time right now, but just to clear something up:

I wanted to say that I -can- reveal my name, hence the offer to do so, but beyond that that's where the 'can't' comes in. I'm fairly aware of the differences between can't and won't =)

Sounds like either Shiri will have to do his thing, or someone needs to find the roles that typically arn't allowed to be revealed.

I'm just saying that it's a possibility. And in that scenario, not only is it not a bad idea for Lorick to claim mason with Revan, but it's actually a really good idea. While it's possible that if Lorick shows up as scum that Revan would also be scum, it's extremely unlikely for the reasons people kept saying on Day 1. It doesn't make sense for scum to out themselves like that except as an extreme gambit.

I want to hear from both of them, just in case. Does your role confirm that your fellow mason is actually on your side? Xenthos too? I know you don't want to tell us who Bolly is, but does it specifically confirm that he's town?

It should be noted that this doesn't necessarily mean anything, since like I said, absent some sort of mutual destruction, it usually works out so the townie doesn't know the other guy is scum, but if it just says something weasel-y, then we can be fairly certain that the other one is scum.