Mafia: Elder Wars Redux

by Rika

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Unknown2008-08-07 18:20:58
QUOTE(Shayle @ Aug 7 2008, 02:16 PM) 542025
And might someone posit some reasons that a person could disappear? I didn't think cults made people disappear, just silently assimilate into their group? huh.gif


I don't think cults do, either, since that'd be waaaaay too obvious.

However, what about the possibility of a hiding ability? Going into hiding to be protected from day kills? Or something similar? Maybe?

Just guessing.
Daganev2008-08-07 18:24:06
came in to check on what Revan has to say....

sad.gif
Unknown2008-08-07 18:26:35
If Myrkr is vouching for me then I have to vouch for her too, because I know what I am and I highly doubt a scum would defend a townie.

Unvote Archer2 for now. I have a slight suspicion on Bael, perhaps because we haven't heard much from him. I don't think Revan and Lorick are scum either, perhaps lovers... but it wouldn't make sense if Lorick were scum and vouched for Revan as a townie, or Lorick to be townie and defend Revan as a scum. Unless that's what the role entails? Would still be worth investigating though.

Xenthos makes a good point about Saaga too. Since she was clearly not mafia, she was a potential townie choice for the mafia to have gone after.
Unknown2008-08-07 18:28:17
QUOTE(daganev @ Aug 7 2008, 02:24 PM) 542030
came in to check on what Revan has to say....

sad.gif


He was here. He said absolutely nothing.


By the way,

Vote Count!

Shou - 4 (Shiri, Lorick, Silferras, Thul)
Revan - 4 (Myrkr, Archer2, Eldritch, Daganev)
Bael - 2 (Silvanus, Shayle, )
Eldritch - 1 (Daganev)
Requiem - 1 (OkieSakana)

9 to lynch.
Unknown2008-08-07 18:30:28
QUOTE(Shayle @ Aug 7 2008, 02:16 PM) 542025
So with lovers, if one dies, the other suicides? Is that true all the time? Wouldn't that mean if we were wrong about the alignment of one, we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot TWICE? I suppose the possibility of one lover being scum and the other being town is there as well, but...bleh, I don't know. I still don't trust Lorick, and Revan has been mighty quiet.



The one where they both self-destruct is usually called siblings and the PM usually goes something like this.

You're Aflred the Cop and can choose one person each night in an attempt to discern their role. Your sibling Bonzo went down a separate path early in life and joined the mafia. You and Bonzo may speak at night. If Bonzo dies, you will commit suicide the following night in your grief.

Bonzo gets a similar message, except either doesn't know the Alfred is a cop, or is one of very few mafia. Otherwise Bonzo always kills Alfred right away. But if Bonzo is one of two or three mafia (anything fewer than standard for the size of the game) then they both have a strong incentive not to get the other killed early in the game.

With lovers, they just don't know what side the other one is on. Sometimes this means the townie is lied to, but more often the mod just doesn't say either way and leaves the recipient to assume that his fellow Mason is innocent. That's what I suspect happened.
Thul2008-08-07 18:31:12
Serella was Xyl, wasn't she? Assuming that most of us have roles matching our names (...I seem to be in the minority, does anyone else fall under this category?) then the randomly falling prey to his own invention thing that (I think) Shou mentioned might fit.

Alternatively: Consumed whole by the Soulless (with an irritating no-info on death ability,) activated some manner of Hiding ability (self-afflicted,) target of Kidnapping ability (town-inflicted most likely,) or the aforementioned cult recruitment method. Silvanus should've probably hit up Rika for more info before rezzing Shiri, but since Serella's still on the list of the living, I'm assuming she's coming back tomorrow.

Zetsu, Revan, and Bael have yet to post something today. Not expecting Zetsu until later in the evening. Shadow's been fairly quiet, too. Have we decided that we're just going to smack Shou with an investigation attempt, or what? dry.gif

And I post frigging slow.
Xenthos2008-08-07 18:31:53
QUOTE(Shou @ Aug 7 2008, 02:26 PM) 542032
If Myrkr is vouching for me then I have to vouch for her too, because I know what I am and I highly doubt a scum would defend a townie.

If you remember the NWO game, scum definitely vouched for town in that game.

... and won because of it.

Remember that the scum knows who they are (and, as such, has a pretty good idea who the town is). It doesn't really hurt them to give a bit of confirmation / support "in general," especially if a bandwagon is forming. "Hey, guys, you all just bandwagoned a townie! I told you it was a townie! You're all mean! crying.gif . But hey, that means I'm a townie too!" kinda thing. It also doesn't exactly prove much (vouching for the sake of vouching, with no further information, really shouldn't go a long way towards getting your support.)
Unknown2008-08-07 18:34:18
Oh I also find it neat that you went out of your way to read more on Eventru smile.gif He is indeed very cool and hateful of the Soulless and the Traitors.

Let's hear from either Lorick or Revan to comment on our current speculations?

I also went back to check the list of people here and Zetsu and shadow have fallen under the radar since day 2 too.
Unknown2008-08-07 18:39:37
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Aug 7 2008, 02:31 PM) 542036
If you remember the NWO game, scum definitely vouched for town in that game.

... and won because of it.

Remember that the scum knows who they are (and, as such, has a pretty good idea who the town is). It doesn't really hurt them to give a bit of confirmation / support "in general," especially if a bandwagon is forming. "Hey, guys, you all just bandwagoned a townie! I told you it was a townie! You're all mean! crying.gif . But hey, that means I'm a townie too!" kinda thing. It also doesn't exactly prove much (vouching for the sake of vouching, with no further information, really shouldn't go a long way towards getting your support.)


You make a good point, almost forgot about that. It is a pretty clever tactic that's been throwing me off from attempting to make solid claims. If you guys were going to investigate me tonight, provided I'm still alive, then maybe Mykyr would provide more useful info for the both of us?

And to Thul, I brought up the mad scientist possibility which is different. But there are so many special roles it's hard to now for sure >.>
Unknown2008-08-07 18:39:40
Revan was here before. But he's only given silence, today. confused.gif
Unknown2008-08-07 18:41:41
I seem to remember a game where Xenthos, I believe and someone else won as Lovers.


Revan2008-08-07 18:45:27
Hmm, gonna go ahead and Vote: Shou because he's acting all snide.

We have a vote count?

Anyway, I've been rather busy trying to fix up ninjakari >.> But yea, I'm not scum. I'm a stinky fish god that loves to thwart Fain.
Unknown2008-08-07 18:45:36
If anyone remembers my After Hours mafia game, I had a scum setup where one (Alma Hodge) could kidnap people, which counted as being dead as far as win conditions were concerned and the other (Sylar) could eat a kidnapped victim in order to gain his power. Power stealing replaced a kidnap/killing for the night.

It doesn't really seem to fit with how everything else seems to work in this game, but it's another possibility.
Unknown2008-08-07 18:46:08
QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 7 2008, 02:45 PM) 542041
Hmm, gonna go ahead and Vote: Shou because he's acting all snide.

We have a vote count?

Anyway, I've been rather busy trying to fix up ninjakari >.> But yea, I'm not scum. I'm a stinky fish god that loves to thwart Fain.


Does your mod PM confirm the Lorick is town?
Unknown2008-08-07 18:46:50
QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 7 2008, 02:45 PM) 542041
Hmm, gonna go ahead and Vote: Shou because he's acting all snide.

We have a vote count?

Anyway, I've been rather busy trying to fix up ninjakari >.> But yea, I'm not scum. I'm a stinky fish god that loves to thwart Fain.


Vote Count!

Shou - 5 (Shiri, Lorick, Silferras, Thul, Revan)
Revan - 4 (Myrkr, Archer2, Eldritch, Daganev)
Bael - 2 (Silvanus, Shayle)
Eldritch - 1 (Daganev)
Requiem - 1 (OkieSakana)

9 to lynch.
Shayle2008-08-07 18:46:54
QUOTE(Archer2 @ Aug 7 2008, 02:41 PM) 542040
I seem to remember a game where Xenthos, I believe and someone else won as Lovers.



You're thinking of NWO, where Xenthos and I were the Russian Mafia. We weren't lovers; my character was just a whore cultist type person. *sigh* nyah.gif
Silvanus2008-08-07 18:52:07
Shiri 79
Lorick 73
daganev 65
requiem dot exe 54
okieSakana 48
Xenthos 46
Thul 44
Shou 39
Archer2 36
rika 36
Myrkr 33
Arix 32
shadow 27
Revan 22
Silferras 22
Silvanus 18
Shayle 16
Saaga 16
Eldritch Ex Machina 15
Bael 12
Serella 9
Zetsu 8
Shamarah 5
casilu 1
Unknown2008-08-07 18:54:52
What, me, snide? ohmy.gif

I've been trying to see you and Lorick get into the clean, though am starting to ponder Xenthos' posts more carefully now. Anyway, what can you say about Lorick?
Unknown2008-08-07 18:55:19
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Aug 7 2008, 02:52 PM) 542047
Shiri 79 - Confirmed Town
Lorick 73 - ?
daganev 65 - ?
requiem dot exe 54 - ?
okieSakana 48 - ?
Xenthos 46 - ?
Thul 44 - ?
Shou 39 - ?
Archer2 36 - ?
shadow 27 - ?
Revan 22 - ?
Silferras 22 - ?
Silvanus 18 - ?
Shayle 16 - ?
Eldritch Ex Machina 15 - ?
Bael 12 - ?
Serella 9 - ?
Zetsu 8 - ?


Should we start picking on Zetsu and Bael to get them to post more? Or no?

By the way, UNVOTE

Vote Count!

Shou - 5 (Shiri, Lorick, Silferras, Thul, Revan)
Revan - 3 (Archer2, Eldritch, Daganev)
Bael - 2 (Silvanus, Shayle)
Eldritch - 1 (Daganev)
Requiem - 1 (OkieSakana)

9 to lynch.
Xenthos2008-08-07 19:05:48
I think that prodding Bael seems like a good plan at the time.

vote Bael. *Nudge*