....This is exactly why we wanted you to investigate us, so this could be dealt with. Did the investigation turn up anything fruitful at all? Seems like it didn't since we are back to this.

Req hasn't woken up yet.

spectator: I so call entrance to the next game. All the little things i am noticing, and wanting to scream, but i can't.

Trust me, it's worse when you pick up the things and KNOW that you are right in picking them up.

Spectator: Or you're an investigator with a role that makes people want to lynch you

Spec: it doesn't help that...you're Arix.

Spec: True, that's like being a mafia doctor, you're a lynch target and a night target, so you're boned either way

shh

You don't just disagree, you ignore, Shiri. You completely ignored my point. How could they know what they would not know if they were Soulless / Traitors? None of those that were killed so far had it in their role desc.

Also, Daganev: Where did Shou say or hint at Archer being Fain in particular?

Anyone is roughly as likely to have the details about being against the Soulless and Traitors seperately as anyone else, why would masons have it in particular? Heck, you're apparently mason and you didn't mention anything like that. And that's if it wasn't just a guess, which it could have been (but I'm leaning mostly on the former here.) So I disagree that it's conclusive or that it counts as a lot of evidence on its own.

As for Daganev: Shou actually didn't say anything about Fain, because he couldn't. Daganev figured it out because he read Shou making some weak-ass attack on Archer (Fain) after Myrkr had claimed she investigated Shou and found he "knows more about Fain than he can let on." He pieced it together from that and it sort of made sense so we bandwagoned him into doublevote range.

Maybe Revan's perpetually scummy attitude and Lorick's attitude is just throwing me off, I can't help but get a scummy feeling from them due to the things I mentioned. But I'm willing to leave it for now because it is a stretch to believe they would have offed Bael for security AND have innocence...it would suck if it were true, but we can put that off till later.

Anyone gone back and looked at the voting record? Maybe turn up some voting blocks?

Look, could you listen to me just THIS ONCE. If Fain and Morgfyre did not have details about the Soulless, why would the other traitors have them? It's at least immensly unlikely that they did. Likewise, Illith had no details about the traitors. Why would the other Soulless have them? Again, possibly but unlikely. Lastly, the Fate that died didn't have them either. So why would the other Fates be exceptions?

Also, he claimed this on -day one-. If he had been able to make such an accurate lie on the first damn day.. well you got me impressed then.

Eh, unless you guys have some sort of information one Myrkr and Shou to the extent of "Yes, I know for certain they aren't scum", I'm not really impressed. The whole situation seemed off to me from the get go, and while we've spoken that Shou may or may not of been wanting us to act thus, the truthful answer is we have no friggen clue because he "Can't". Maybe now that Fain is dead, he can enlighten us?

Uh, just so we make sure there are no misunderstandings, we had no clue about the Fates. We hadn't really considered the concept of three scum groups.

Also, anyone else find the idea of at least 3 Fates, 3 Traitors, and some number of Soullless (Come on, Kethuru just has to be out there) a tad intimidating against our 20 person game?

3 Fates, confirmed by roles.

At least 3 Traitors, confirmed by "Your fellow Traitors" part

Soulless amount, I don't know. But I'd expect at least one more.

Hmph, I don't think my attack was that extremely flimsyl! Better then... no attack at all. The opportunity just looked good for putting my ability to use, though I doubt it would've been a kill if Myrkr and Dag didn't help.

And my role never said anything about if I could reveal myself fully after Fain died, so... *poke Rika*

Had to go back to page 1 to get this list, but it looks like...

1. Shiri REVIVED (Keph, Elder)
3. Silvanus (Lantra)
4. Silferras (claimed Dracnoris)
5. shadow (Bollikin, confirmed by Xenthos?)
6. Myrkr (Lyreth)
7. Shou (Eventru)
9. Revan (claims Amberle)
10. Lorick (claims Meridian)
11. Serella (claims Xyl)
12. Thul (confirmed clean by Shiri)
13. daganev
15. requiem dot exe (claims Orlachmar)
16. Xenthos (Tae, confirmed by Shiri)
18. Eldritch Ex Machina
19. okieSakana (claims Trillilial)

I... think that's it, but I feel like I might've missed a role. Hmmmm. Anyway it's still early, so awaiting word from others.

Wow, wait a second... Shiri, you utterly and completely fail horribly. One would think that your constant suspicions about Lorick and I would lead to an investigation so we'd get cleared, but you, good sir, just failed miserably. *shakes head* Seriously, stop doing it wrong. Lorick and I offed TWO scum already. If it isn't clear to you that we're innocent, then you need to lay off the skunky weed. I don't know who I'm going to vote for yet, but seriously, some of you people need to get your heads out of your collective asses.

You could take a look at the list I did around when day started. Especially since you missed Daganev (claims Crumkane).