Oi. That deserves way more than karma.

Apart from just dumping gold on the player, perhaps additional steel/iron commodities to the organization from dismantling the antennae?


Hmm. Just a random though. If the counter quest is completed allow the completing individuals to rig up the antennae to send pulses of aetheric energy through the complex that damages those of a specific organization? And I mean on a consistent basis for a set period of time.

Edit: This an idea of a creative alternative to just a cooldown.

can we has the super easy sand supplicants then to replace this?

No.

Since you all missed why I brought the Aestra quest up, I'll explain.

Firstly, I'll go from the 'good' point of view, to save Aestra. It requires you to kill a supermob (in health at least) who also has the power to leech (he does it often) and masked aeon. You also need to kill him twice, and if you are not prepared/unaware, you could easily be screwed after you kill him the first time. The reward of all this? You get a legendary mount loyal for a few RL days.

Now, the 'bad' point of view, the one where you kill Aestra. It requires you to kill a supermob in health who cannot leech (and at one point it was even pacified/did not attack back). You only need to kill it once. The reward? Free Tosha blessing to all of Mag for one IG month.

You fail if you do not see why this is not fair.

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That only went on for two or three days, it just gives the person who turns in the heart a blessing now.

What Silvanus said and it's not like Aestra is just a pushover solo which is how I've always done the quest. Blackout whoring, stupidity, aeon, hits hards.. can't remember if there is more aside from the damage. Champions break limbs like crazy. The Avatar hits with blackout like every attack, can't remember what else. Not like I do the quest often.

Edit: and it's not a Tosha blessing, it's a 10% blessing to h/m/e where catacombs is only 10% to h/m and Tosha is 15% to h/m/e. Good job on not knowing what you're talking about though.

What org are you in? Good lord. Soup is mega-easy and I love it. Hell, I did it as a glom. If you're complaining from glom, who arguably has the easiest (drop web, drop spirit, win), well, I guess Krin's pulling a Krin.

Oh man this thread was painful to read.

If your personal RP is preventing you from completing the Broadcasting quest, tough cookies. That's your choice. Get over it.

If your org is preventing you from doing the quest, take it up with the leaders of your org. Game mechanics shouldn't change based on the opinions of Org leaders.

Broadcasting center does not hurt newbies in the least. My first character ever was an aqua, and I never did pilgrims/bards, nor has my glommie or either of my mags (levels 70, 60, 79, 88...and don't go looking for them because they are either dormant or suicided). The newbies are fine. "It hurts the newbies" is an argument meant to evoke pity from the admin. Too bad it's wrong.

Don't like listening to Globglob? Gag it.

Don't like that the pilgrims/bards aren't listening to you? Kill them.

Problem solved!

When I had Necromancy, I used to take the pilgrims to a single room manse and proceed to kill them all. Then I would eat them and that's how I saved money by switching to corpses.

To expect a Celestian to be ok with enabling the Tainted broadcast center quest, to spread Tainted propaganda through the nexuses, is pure idiocy. There is no realistic argument you could possibly make to change the fact that only Celest-hating Celestians would be willing to do this quest, and the leaders, who, in all likelihood aren't Celest-haters, will never allow it. So every person who says Celestians should just do the quest loses 50 smart points every time they say it. And, considering some of the people who are saying it, thats 50 points they can't afford to lose.

Edit: And you lose 25 extra points for saying Aison is only making this thread because she has a Celestian character.

Judge the validity of the following argument: I have not explored the last 3-4 new areas released, I do not care much for those areas because I can bash Kephera for what I need, and if I made other characters (not like that matters since people tend to follow the same leveling habits on similar characters) they would not explore those new areas. Therefore, those new areas are unnecessary and should be deleted. (In short, my play experience is the same as everyone's play experience.)

The only change I'd like to the quest is that the counter-quest be doable by people level 30-50, and not require large groups to take down Globglob. To go along with this, there should probably be an easier way to travel to the Centre in the first place.

Or, you could go with that idea someone-or-other mentioned, where bards/scholars slowly move towards Magnagora passively, but anyone can take them by talking normally.

I like those suggestions made by Salvation. Why not let the target group of this quest be able to counter it.

How about have the pilgrims, bards and scholars only want to visit another org for a while after Globglob is killed. This is determined by who lands the killing blow on Globglob. If the person who killed him belongs to the same org as the person who helped him, only that org cannot lead the pilgrims etc.

I agree. However, this issue has nothing to do with personal RP, but the RP background of an entire city, about a quarter of the players.

The problem isn't so much the quest itself, but that we have no real options to create a similiar effect. I don't want Gloglob to go away, I love Globglob, especially after reading all the histories. However, mechanically this is a situation very much biased towards Magnagora and against Celest, without any extant balancing factor.

So you didn't have bards, scholars and pilgrims when you were starting out? Tough. We do. Your argument that because times were tough and you had to walk to school uphill both ways, we shouldn't be concerned with imbalance fails to impress.

The soup quest is horrible for true newbies. It involves killing spectres, which knockdown/blackout/chill (not all in one hit, obviously). You get one soup (eventually) per 3 spectres.

Spectres are well beyond the difficulty of all the other orgs power quests, which basically involve 'go here, drop/give this, lead them to your special spot'. Rather, we have to spend half an hour bashing out Spectre Isle. The only advantage is extra xp/gold, and I would certainly prefer one where you just went to Tunika to get the soup then went looking for beggars.

/derail

But yes, I agree the TBC is horribly biased. Making them slowly move towards the org that raised it, or providing extra culture/gold, or something similar would be much better than simply "No bards/scholars for you!"

Perhaps, rather than having Globglob's shouts come in at the Nexus, make the bards/scholars preach his words whenever you pick them up, and give them a chance to wander away after you've picked them up.

I think it's too much straining to say:

"Let's set this tainted vile creature upon Magnagora. It will harm them and it will help us bring light to the pilgrims, bards and scholars, thus our city will shine above. Small sacrifices can be made in order to achieve the greater good."

Bad Corinthian

Fail, just fail perhaps we need some quest that will strip you of everything you've built up with... Fain was it? and receive nothing in return.



I would lean towards karma (not the numerical value the concept) if an organisation wants to be an and use the tainted broadcast center there should be some direct or eventual consequences. Maybe the counter-quest could prevent power gathering over a few hours or the like and the bards/pilgrims/scholars won't follow that particular org until it's over?



Also to all the mags: Domoths

Clearly we should continue griefing Magnadoring with Celenwilde uberness (and Domoths).

Problem solved!

*sigh* I really don't understand people's anality about this. Just do it, Christ, el Christ, else stop getting riled up about not doing it if it's your choice. They don't mind raiding with a rogue geomancer, etc, but they can't stop weeping becse stop getting riled up about it if it's your choice. They don't mind raiding with a rogue geomancer, etc, but they can't stop weeping because of an adjective.

Now on the other hand, if there are people (like Lendren) who have a general problem with the mechanical parts and rewards of the quest and not it's aesthetics that argument has alot more validity than crying because your "roleplay" prevents you from doing it. I bet you people who're going on about your "strict rp" (lol) break it all the time when you feel like it.

I'll take that bet. For me, anyway. And if I see anything vaguely like that coming out of Celest, Moiraine would leave.

Stop whining about people who actually follow an RP avenue that is well-defined. Please.