Cooldown period of 48 hours.

Make the quest easier to stop.

Not give penalty on scholars/bards/pilgrims quest.

Everyone can still get bards/scholars/ec. but the city that has the broadcast station active gets more ... something.

Make the bards and scholars slowly (very, very slowly) walk towards the city that has it up, but still everyone can college them.

Make the bards and scholars worth more culture (I think they contribute ...) to the city that has the broadcast station up.

Maybe turn the scholars into COWS and have them bump your movement while you try to drag them back to your city.

Lendren's massive post #38.

Allow Celest and friends to cleanse the Broadcasting Centre.

Make the counter-quest more worthwhile (more than just karma). Additional steel/iron commodities?

Post #50 (about Marani, not Globglob. Joke.)

If the counter quest is completed allow the completing individuals to rig up the antennae to send pulses of aetheric energy through the complex that damages those of a specific organization? And I mean on a consistent basis for a set period of time.

Rather than having Globglob's shouts come in at the Nexus, make the bards/scholars preach his words whenever you pick them up, and give them a chance to wander away after you've picked them up.

From reading the concerns of many in this thread, perhaps these may be valid ideas, but it would still be useful for us to hear from those who have done the quest itself, to provide a solid comparison of the actual time and effort required of raising Globglob versus taking him down, from a player perspective.

These two statements seem a little contradictory. You seem to agree that Celestians can't do the quest, but you say that you also don't design quests with the idea of putting one org at a disadvantage.

So... was it an accident that the quest does just that?

I said that we would never intentionally put one org at a disadvantage, I didn't say we always balance things perfectly.

Hopefully, this thread will provide many ideas to help correct the fact the issues some are taking with it.

Honestly, I feel like raising GlobGlob right now just to see how hard it is, and how the rewards compare. Also because I just love questing in general.

Problem? Everyone in my Org is going to go BESERK at finding out that I did it. Remember Zia? Yeah. We still supported something evil, which is baaaaad. Lisaera might fry my arse, but I'm unclear about how restricting my Order RP tends to be.

Personally, the main angst I've gotten from the quest so far is when some random Magnagoran does it around two in the morning in America. I might be up then, as will most British players, but there's just not enough people around to successfully defend the antennae. They're either just not competent enough, too low level to tank a few gravedigger scout hits, or hit too weakly. You've only got a few hits that the child can take from gravediggers, and if you can't crit (These midbies and lowbies I speak of can't) it gets really difficult to kill the gravediggers in time. Having tried and failed the counterquest at least twice now, with help from 5 or so other Serens that were on at that offhour time, it was rather annoying. I had to wait for a few hours before some local Demithing came around to help out.

Admittedly, most of the time Serenwilde is holding culture centre out of sheer dedication to bringing in Bards and Scholars, and I don't quite understand why people would raise the Broadcasting Centre at a time when we're locked in the lead. It also wouldn't hurt those lowbies and midbies to learn other methods of gold gathering. So, no real harm done, I guess it's just a psychological thing.

Er, wait, I forgot my forum RP. Hyrtakos is mean and choke is OP.

There we go.

I think the key is the Taint, it is just such a thought stopper (for good reason!) for Celest. Celest should never be willing to use the Taint for any reason. Supporting someone who is Tained is boarderline, indirectly helping those who are Tainted is boarderline. If the only Taint involved in the TBC is Globglob being Tainted then I can perhaps see someone from Celest using it. The name and the nature of the affect though make it seem very clear that the Taint is directly involved.

If I (or someone else) can prove in game that the TBC does not use the Taint (or more generally any Excoroperditio power) then I think there could be a possible RP path of wishing to harm Mag at the cost of feeding the ego of a Tainted plus the mind control of some innocents and the annoyance of some allies. Now even if this is true I think the RP path is going to be a very hard one to walk and I will be impressed if any major established character attempts it. The risk of Divine disfavour/maggot/zaps and being kicked out of the city is rather high.

That said I will continue to work on it from an IC perspective as I think it is both more interesting and more valuable than making posts about it.

CT Take a look at Commune posts #(firstnumbersometimearoundSerenCelestWar) through #(Afewmonthsafteritended) when we were working closely with Magnagora... they're Tainted... what are you all complaining about? It's fine if it helps the Serenwilde!

Well I was the second person to of done the quest (the first who did it on their own) and mind you the quest was still a bit buggy, If you are doing it alone it is rather hard. Those diggers are often in teams, and I had to often wait for one or two to move before I could continue (I am well aware this is mainly for druids, knights should not have this problem). It is also easily bodged. Kill Norchatine (or in the beginning the stryker kids) et voila. Granted you can somewhat prevent it by killing all gravedigger queens before going, but that does not stop mages with a meld, bards with their stone, puzzle, etc.

I think that the first time I took a bit more than an hour to do it, without anyone trying to stop me. With help and nobody trying to stop me I could probably do it again in 30 minutes now that I know the quest and know to take a knight with me for the diggers.

The counter quest is just as easy to bodge, kill the strykers. The gravediggers are not that hard, you just need enough people because the gravediggers keep targetting the boy even though they are hitting you. If you have opposition you are shafted but like Nocht said you only need to take one antenna down.

Globglob requires a big group however, even with 3 antennas down, and I feel this is the main problem, something that only takes 1 person and a short time period to activate should be able to deactivated by a small group (2-3 people). I honoustly think that you should make Globglob to the same strenght of Norchatine when the 3 Antennas are down, to a manifestation strength with only 1 antenna down.

So my suggestions for the quest:
- Downgrade globglob
- Give a reward for killing Globglob (chest with gold, karma)


And one of the two following:
- Let Globglob appear as untainted so we do not have to bend or RP to far. (yah new event)
OR
- create an honour quest to keep the broadcasting center disabled for 1 month. (alot yah new event)



Remember me? I was threatened with being kicked from the commune and being enemied cause of it.

A divine encouraging the action like Hajamin did in Celest would be nice. So who is the biggest zealot of Serenwilde divine

At least twice now, we had one Demigod in our group kill GlobGlob in a single shot with an Obliterating Critical Hit.

I've been gone, so I'm catching up!



What? You make so many assumptions with this statement I can't even argue with you without being forced to point them out (and how they are wrong.) I'm not going to do that, I'm just going to let you know that my Celestine leveled up hunting very different things from my Mag. There are many, many ways for lowbies to hunt (including a new area that was opened up specifically for post newton lowbies quite recently). Perhaps your argument is trying to tell me that the poor occasional lowbie who has to find something else to do other than walking around the mountains has had his gaming experience ruined because Globglob just happened to be raised at the time, but I would disagree with you.



Right. Exactly the same thing. I'm so glad you're not making unrealistic comparisons.



Lowering Globglob's strength wouldn't be the end of the world. Unecessary, mind you, but Mag would survive. I think it would be another soulforge situation (to a lesser extent.) A lot of effort put in. Small reward. Easily undone by Celestine Joe. I think this is only an issue because it has "tainted" in the title, therefor it must be skewed towards Mag. A superficial assumption at best. As the Admin have pointed out, (at least) 3 orgs can do it. Everyone needs to stop focusing on the title of the area it's in, and focus on what the quest does.

I still say Celest can do it, it would require something beyond the typical, inside the lines Celestine RP, but that's for characters to decide. Archer made a good point somewhere. Celest has repeatedly blurred the lines with the Taint, the most recent being with Munsia, the geomancer. You'll allow a Geomancer to help you out, but you draw the line at the Broadcasting Center? If Celest, as an org, wants to say "no" to the quest, that's fine...but you'll need a more stable history before you use your org wide RP as an argument.

I've tried the quest, and I can't do it because I haven't invested lessons into influence, so it's certainly not available to everyone. Not to mention you need to be at least 70-80 or higher to survive the aggro gravediggers in the center.

This made me laugh.

er...why?

Because, you are saying that everyone can do the quest, and yet here, you clearly imply that it is only truly viable for Mag to do it. Also, a large part of why Rika as a character would never do the quest is because of the whole mind control thing. She believes in freedom, which is largely why she is a Seren.

I just thought it was funny that you put it as "Mag would survive" as if this is some kind of generous concession of something you deserve, really.

First you berate someone about unrealistic comparison, than you go compare the TBC to the soulforge, .

A lot of effort another , actually do the quest and it's counter before you make such a comment.


And it is certainly not because the word 'taint' is in the title. It is the propaganda he spews.

edit: And for Rika the mind controlling, Anisu is fine with that though

Way to read way too much into that. Mag does it the most, therefor Mag would be affected the most. This does not imply that it is only viable for Mag. Proof: Serens and Gloms have done the quest. Apparently it's viable for them too. Funny how that works.

That's great. RP whatever you want. Your personal RP has no bearing on this situation. Seren has gotten dirty with the Taint before, so as an org, they have no reason to say no to the quest.

edit: Seriously, Anisu...I can't argue with you if you aren't going to read. Especially when you make a point to not bold the part of my post that makes your post look remarkably stupid.

Two Serens have done the quest. The first was Zia, who stepped down from Seneschal shortly after. The second was Anisu, a day or so after Zia. Both caused many angry posts on the Seren boards. Both were told they shouldn't have done it.

Way to read too much into that. The org has plenty of reasons to say no to the quest. Just because "they have gotten dirty with the Taint before" (which isn't even how it's seen) doesn't mean mindcontrolling a bunch of random people to serve what they think is Emperor Ladantine, and spreading taint propaganda all over the place, for such a minor advantage and without any real need to do it is ok.

And yet, they did do it. That means it is viable.

Again, what you CHOOSE to do doesn't matter. Can Serens do the quest without being totally OOC or undermining Seren RP? Yes, they can. The only one that is iffy is Celest.

edit: Ah, I do love when people take the moral high ground with the "Stop repeating me," "Stop repeating me" game. Especially when they do it and it doesn't make any sense.

Your org chooses to say no to the quest, when they could have just as easily to chosen to support it and justified such a decision. I never said Seren's decision was wrong, I am just saying that it is a player choice.

What part of they were told they shoudn't have done it don't you understand?

How about you go back to RPing your Magnagoran character who does whatever she likes because she has no morals and leave our RP alone?