I don't think the topic is something to get yourself that angry about.

The administrators of Lusternia aren't some random sample of the MUD players at large, it's a small circle where the vast majority of people can EITHER write good code (look at fighters like Narsrim and Thoros) or be REALLY creative (look at RPers like Aiakon and... Other RPers.) Why wasn't Aiakon a good fighters? Why couldn't Thoros write an emote/roleplay to save his life?

This still holds true in the havens. You have people who can't really code for crap, you have people who can't really be creative for crap. Sorry, but I just disagree with the administrators of Lusternia being a niche of people who are all always creative and can code everything they could possibly want.

Which part of that was angry? Sure there's sarcasm, I hear I'm a pretty sarcastic guy. On the whole it was mostly plausible examples of skillsets and comparisons regarding resource allocation. Do offices make you angry Nocht? Repressed cubicle anxiety?

Some of us have amazing writing abilities; it just doesn't show up in our writing.

For I have perfect spelling... but sometimes the letters get all jumbled.

Don't forget your grammar, too.

You think Thoros and Narsrim can't roleplay? I believe your arrogance and distaste for certain people is clouding your vision. They can both role-play perfectly well when they want to. Aiakon was a better fighter than you have ever been and he's one of the most creative people I know. I also know for a fact that he can code, and what? Who said all of the people in the havens can code everything they want AND always be creative? That is the exact distinction I am making. They can all write, but can they all code on par with someone who does it professionally? I sincerely doubt it.

I'm sitting in a cubicle right now actually...

And as a side note, let's talk nice to each other.

Get some Motivational posters up then and turn that frown upside down!

Me too.

Boo cubicles!

If your cubicle has solid wooden walls, is it still a cubicle? *prays not*

Yes. Yes it is. Just more flammable.

I think we should create forum-Orders of Creative Gods, Coding Gods, and "All of the Above" Gods, complete with Shrines and everything.

I elect myself head of the Order of the "None of the above" Lazybones Gods.

An interesting thread.

On the subject of creativity - I do not consider myself to be the most creative. However, I am very good at the implementation of existing ideas. We have people who excel with new ideas and people who excel with making those ideas reality. There are some who are very good at both as well.

They can all write, but can they all write on par with someone who does it professionally? I sincerely doubt it.

Your point is being mired in an attempt to discredit me for your personal dislike for me. What are you arguing? You said in your previous posts that the people in the havens who aren't coders aren't likely to get what they want because they can't code. Now you're saying that everyone has some measure of skill with writing and coding, but then why can't everyone get whatever "rp gimmicks" they want?

All I'm saying is that for the most part the people in the havens can EITHER write great events, descriptions, design great areas, etc. OR code amazingly complicated systems, and that VERY OFTEN, they help each other out. I believe it's not correct to say that people who can't do things themselves don't get anything like those who can, even in a "general" sense.

Is it still a cubicle if it only has three sides?

Could everyone building for IRE write professionally and be published? I sincerely doubt it. Could everyone coding for IRE do it professionally? I bet so. My point was simple, that the two aren't mutually exclusive but most everyone CAN write, but most everyone can't CODE on par with professionals. You just like to sit behind your neat little walls and poke out as usual.

Pay attention to the bolded area because I never said that. I said they have to ask for coders to help with it. I said that coders tend to get it done faster because they just do it themselves. If there's no OLC mechanic for prog'ing it yourself, you have to ask someone who can manipulate the source. It's a resource not available to you. It causes the time disparity that Neuf mentioned. You know, the original post that some of us at least attempt to adhere to? Once again you come and twist my words out of your personal hatred for me, it's rather cute, but it still doesn't work.

I remember Charune's roleplay and it isn't near as bad as he's playing it down just to appease people. Good game on dropping the Thoros and Narsrim bits though, I'm sure if Narsrim could still post he'd be rolling your face clean off at the moment. Why in the world did you bring up Aiakon out of the blue though, I wonder... Yes, yes I wonder.

Desitrus, You're awesome, but I'm detecting a tiny bit of elitism here.

I've never denied such.

Elitism tends to crop up around programmers because it's a field where numbers do not easily outweigh skill, and individuals can be as effective as teams. As such, talent rises to the top.