Only works to the planes. I don't think to manses or across aetherspace.

What made it handy especially after aetherspace came along was that you could prized back to your ship for five power which made it hard to loose them. (Think a five power algontherine whistle that only works with one ship ever and you have to fly it back home)

Ah! Well, that does make it a bit less cool. I'd only ever want my prized bit of furniture to be in my manse.

I actually don't mind the current artisan trans skill. I've used it a bunch of times, and it's gotten me and other people out of sticky situations at times. I agree it could use some sprucing up though. Perhaps... the currently very long wait could be shortened by about 25-30%, and for an extra 5p allow it to be used across aetherspace (aka escaping Muud )? And to Shaddus, prized already makes the item non-decay, if that's what you were getting at.

And another suggestion: allow small tables to hold objects! I had always thought that was what they were supposed to do, but as it is they're a bit pointless other then for some aesthetic value.

Well anywhere else and someone could destruct it costing you the entire investment.
The only reason I've seen to prized really is so you don't have to reconstruct your throne.

There have been numerous threads talking about this. So someone go fetch?

That was rather the point of the thread: we couldn't get any of these things through envoy for love nor money because every envoy slot is always used on combat stuff. I know I've tried on at least a half-dozen occasions to bring artisan ideas through the envoy process and have never even gotten as far as initial discussion.

For the record, virtually no artisan uses the Prized teleport at all, ever, because the prized item pretty much has to be in a manse, and there's no value to being able to teleport to a manse. (Except possibly if you were doing it from somewhere farther away than Prized actually allows.)

In any case, I can't imagine anyone could imagine it comparing in value to any of the other tradeskill trans skills.


People already have manse rooms described as gardens and some of them even have an artifact that makes them act that way. I think the aesthetic problem is that they can have a four-poster bed next to that patch of flowers, but not a bench. Actually I think it's silly to trust people to write their own room descriptions and then not trust them to pick appropriate furniture to match those room descriptions.

But the point is, you're already not preventing putting benches next to beds. We just have to make our benches indoor designs because 99% of them are going to go into manses. And if there's a chance they'll actually be put in a real outdoor location, we have to make and pay for the design twice, and the Charites have to handle it twice.

However, this suggests the better solution which was originally proposed and which would neatly prevent benches next to beds: let manse rooms be flagged outdoors.


Why is that any different from every other trade?


Maybe you're imagining windchimes at all the entrances to a forest, or something. But those rooms aren't furnishable. The only furnishable places in the Serenwilde are guildhalls, the library, shops, the kitchen and forge area, and a few spots in the treetops. I imagine Glomdoring's situation is comparable.

Right now, the cities already can have chandeliers in those places and a few more besides: most notably, Magnagora can have one at its nexus. If that's not too limiting, why would it be too limiting for the communes to have the exact same possibilities (or less)? Contrariwise, if it is too limiting, maybe chandeliers shouldn't be allowed in the city guildhalls, nexii, etc. and should be ripped out. (I know at least one dreamweaver who'd agree.) Whichever it is, it should be the same for communes as for cities.


For the record, the word derives from ancient Greek meaning "to pluck strings" and has no religious overtones, which to my mind is a shame since if it did, it might suit Cantors studying Starhymn. Now that you mention it, "Starhymn" just sounds like something religious.

But fine: these five can go away, and I wish someone had answered me one of the three times I sent these in during the last year and a half so I'd've known that. Is there room in your vision of the world for any other than the five we have? I'd love to submit something for all those newly-minted bards who are constantly asking me for something other than those five, and I'd be happy to do the legwork of research and writing to make them work.

EDIT: Chronometers were brought to my attention by Othero who, at one point, was working on one IG. I thought it was a really cool idea and perhaps if he ever completed the study, we could convince Estarra to put them in. With the essay and some cookies.

Trade/common skill changes/suggestions have a low chance of getting into envoys.

I agree with Lendren's indoor/outdoor, comms from deconstruction, wind chimes, toys/props (making them somewhat useful...artisans could use some more personal-use items), and prized comments.

Prized is useful for getting out of the UV, but that's something I can do on my own without a trans skill. I like the idea of the prized creation, but I'm willing to give up the teleporting feature for a new trans skill, if the skill right before trans is still the ability to mark a piece as 'prized' and have it not decay (but not do anything else). But I'm very sad our trans skill doesn't help us out that much (especially not in pvp or pve, as other trans trade skills can)

Did that design actually go through? I saw it on the design pending list, but it seemed like it was stretching the design too much to get approved. The noun was "sock" rather than "socks" anyways, which I don't think is allowed.


No, but some of us are roleplaying childish madwomen who like to have tea parties with dollies! And I remember Viravain 3.0(I think? Might have been the one before that?) making Krellan a doll of himself once. It was awesome.

It does!

Edit: And no - the Charites are not (and there are no plans that they might become) a mortal position.

No to the more instruments. Aside from the fact that you seemed to have picked 4 very random instruments (Hurdy Gurdy? wtf), bards already have the widest variety, by far, out of any guild. The nest closest would be warriors with a choice of 3 different weapons. Bards have 5?

I actually like the wind chime idea. Seren/Glom need something like chandeliers to protect their nexus.

Eh? Does it matter that they have variety? They all do the same thing, it's not like they have more mechanical options than anyone else.

It means that Admin attention belongs elsewhere.

Meh, what do you want? Druids wielding wands, Magi orbs of raw elemental power, etc. It may actually be possible depending on how the attack text is handled. (If the attacks only grab

Artisan instruments are designs, requesting more should logically be the same as requesting a new type of table design...
Warriors are different because their weapon types are different and affect the stats they can have(don't they?)


EDIT: Actually I vaguely recollect that there were less instrument types when bards first came out, after a little while the newer one(s) got added. I'm fairly sure Lyres weren't there originally at least.

Simply make prized go from any pane to any plane (including porting back to a manse BUT NOT across aetherspace), and also make prize return NOT STOPPED by monolith. Imo, that would give it a nice enough niche use fitting for a tradeskill. The crazy long wait + power cost (so you can't spam it) would balance the monolith immunity.

Ideas from an old pantograph thread I started up possibly years ago:

That would be a cool solution and not require a lot of changes. I like it.


That's exactly how I suggested them the first few times.


As I remember there were four styles right off and we got a fifth (lyre sounds right, I had to do Ialie's design twice and the second one was a lyre so that's probably why) in like the second week, and Estarra said at the time that if we wanted others, just to ask for them. But I don't know where She said that -- it's not in an Announce, it might have been in a worldemote or in the forum. Or I might have imagined it.

Alas for the future of puppet shows.

Edit: How about harps?

You could make it "a pair of puppets made of socks" and in the examined description have one of them be a boy puppet and one a girl and then you can inact this:

Excluding the big harps you can't really carry around, the handheld harp-like instruments that you see angels playing in cream cheese commercials are pretty much the modernized form of the medieval instruments called lyres, psalteries, and zithers (autoharps). (Though I can see how someone who is completely ignorant about music history might mistake historically accurate for "very random".)

Incidentally, the idea of toy is not just to make children's toys but also any kind of game or toy for adults, and also as a sort of generic noun for other "props". Adults don't like toys? You haven't watched someone spam one of those dolls a thousand times in a row at your nexus, I guess! I imagined them as being very short duration (only lasting a month or two) so they wouldn't bloat the databases, very cheap to make (maybe 10 comms), and very open-ended in types and designs. But I didn't really develop the idea farther because I knew it'd be shot down before we got to where the details were even looked at.

I'm completely ignorant of music history. And I say there should be guitars!