Unknown2008-09-12 19:59:50
INCREASE YES also. I -think- the effect may be something along the lines of giving dayskills or other things to smaller nations, maaybe just one, maybe all. Since we don't know who is converted and who is not it's a 50/50 chance to work in our favour. However! Apparently, nations can also be "liberated" again, so that would tilt it in our favour right?
Anyhow, my vote stays on Doman.
Anyhow, my vote stays on Doman.
Daganev2008-09-12 20:05:30
QUOTE(shadow @ Sep 12 2008, 12:59 PM) 556754
INCREASE YES also. I -think- the effect may be something along the lines of giving dayskills or other things to smaller nations, maaybe just one, maybe all. Since we don't know who is converted and who is not it's a 50/50 chance to work in our favour. However! Apparently, nations can also be "liberated" again, so that would tilt it in our favour right?
Anyhow, my vote stays on Doman.
Anyhow, my vote stays on Doman.
What has Doman done that Diamondais and Casilu hasn't?
Just curious why you feel so strongly for Doman, but don't feel so strongly about the other people who have been behaving the same way..
Doman2008-09-12 20:07:48
And, before I go, where did I say capitalism wasn't bad?
Unknown2008-09-12 20:09:10
QUOTE(daganev @ Sep 12 2008, 10:05 PM) 556760
What has Doman done that Diamondais and Casilu hasn't?
Just curious why you feel so strongly for Doman, but don't feel so strongly about the other people who have been behaving the same way..
Just curious why you feel so strongly for Doman, but don't feel so strongly about the other people who have been behaving the same way..
Intuition perhaps. I don't know but somehow his behaviour strikes me as very odd. I've watched the last two days and he really only seems to swim with the majority. Take that as you may, but that's basic scum behaviour. They don't care after all who dies as long as it is not them right?
Besides, I have been suspicious of him since day one and even pointed a FOS at him. How is it surprising I choose to follow my suspicion now?
Unknown2008-09-12 20:09:46
QUOTE(Doman @ Sep 12 2008, 10:07 PM) 556763
And, before I go, where did I say capitalism wasn't bad?
Day one. Perhaps not this exact phrasing but that's what I came over as regardless.
Doman2008-09-12 20:11:51
You're actually being kinda suspicious yourself, you're being really forceful in getting me lynched, without any evidence other than "He swims with the majority" when...that's what a majority is, and your intuition. I'm not going to place a vote yet, because I won't be here later, but, something to think about.
Casilu2008-09-12 20:13:48
QUOTE(shadow @ Sep 12 2008, 01:09 PM) 556766
Day one. Perhaps not this exact phrasing but that's what I came over as regardless.
Can you dig up the exact quote for me?
Daganev2008-09-12 20:16:24
Looking over day one, and searching for capitalism on the thread, I see that Doman agreed with you that Capitalism was a cult, and that Ryleth was the first person to doubt you. (you being shadow)
Since we know capitalism is a cult, why don't we look at the people who voted pro Red scare?
I think they are more likely to be scum.
Since we know capitalism is a cult, why don't we look at the people who voted pro Red scare?
I think they are more likely to be scum.
Daganev2008-09-12 20:18:02
QUOTE(Doman @ Sep 10 2008, 02:36 AM) 555694
hmm, maybe reading too much into it. I never said the U.S. wasn't capitalist, I said I don't think that Capitalism would be the cult, and I could be entirely wrong.
What I'm saying about America, is that it would fit, because that's kinda what america does, We go in and "save" people, or we send them to hell in a handbasket, but, The "Unrealistic" setup might just be right. We'll see when we lynch our first scum
What I'm saying about America, is that it would fit, because that's kinda what america does, We go in and "save" people, or we send them to hell in a handbasket, but, The "Unrealistic" setup might just be right. We'll see when we lynch our first scum
This would likely be the quote Shadow is thinking of.
Casilu2008-09-12 20:19:59
QUOTE(daganev @ Sep 12 2008, 01:16 PM) 556769
Looking over day one, and searching for capitalism on the thread, I see that Doman agreed with you that Capitalism was a cult, and that Ryleth was the first person to doubt you. (you being shadow)
Since we know capitalism is a cult, why don't we look at the people who voted pro Red scare?
I think they are more likely to be scum.
Since we know capitalism is a cult, why don't we look at the people who voted pro Red scare?
I think they are more likely to be scum.
Well, do we have any idea what the communists are? Otherwise, I don't see why Myrmyr would have immunity to them.
Unknown2008-09-12 20:22:00
QUOTE(daganev @ Sep 12 2008, 10:16 PM) 556769
Since we know capitalism is a cult, why don't we look at the people who voted pro Red scare?
I think they are more likely to be scum.
Actually no. We are most likely dealing with two cults here right? Communism -and- capitalism. Communists would have voted no. Capitalists likely yes. On the large scale, it doesn't tell us much.
Daganev2008-09-12 20:23:25
QUOTE(shadow @ Sep 12 2008, 01:22 PM) 556775
Actually no. We are most likely dealing with two cults here right? Communism -and- capitalism. Communists would have voted no. Capitalists likely yes. On the large scale, it doesn't tell us much.
Except that we only have one group converting each night.
Daganev2008-09-12 20:32:52
Since the majority of people voted against the red scare, I think it is safe to assume that the red scare was not a good idea for the town. (even if the communist cult was voting against it, they certainly arn't the majority or they would have won allready)
To me this means that the people who voted for the red scare are most likely capitalists.
We have
Arix has explained his reason for the vote from a roll position (i.e afganastan)
Nejii/shiri is security council, so Shadow would have said something if he appeared scummy to her.
That to me leaves Ryleth and Diamondais.
I'm going to vote ryleth since she was the first to suggest that shadow was wrong about capitalists being the bad guys.
To me this means that the people who voted for the red scare are most likely capitalists.
We have
QUOTE
Yes 4 Ryleth Diamondais Arix Nejii
Arix has explained his reason for the vote from a roll position (i.e afganastan)
Nejii/shiri is security council, so Shadow would have said something if he appeared scummy to her.
That to me leaves Ryleth and Diamondais.
I'm going to vote ryleth since she was the first to suggest that shadow was wrong about capitalists being the bad guys.
Unknown2008-09-12 20:33:11
QUOTE(daganev @ Sep 12 2008, 10:23 PM) 556776
Except that we only have one group converting each night.
I know, I've been wondering about that too. However, assuming two cults is the only thing that makes sense if you take into account that I'm immune to capitalist conversions, and Myrkr is immune to communist ones.
If such immunities aren't rare, then it would be possible that other conversions failed up until now. Or we have had two lucky protections. We only had two nights after all.
Plus, we also had a "liberation" last night.
Unknown2008-09-12 20:36:51
QUOTE(daganev @ Sep 12 2008, 10:32 PM) 556778
Nejii/shiri is security council, so Shadow would have said something if he appeared scummy to her.
I don't actually have the power to investigate, and I do not think Rika would keep me updated on anything concerning Shiri.
Lastly, I'm keeping my vote on Doman right now because I think it's better to go off of a suspicion than voting randomly as you just did.
Unknown2008-09-12 20:38:21
I'm going to INCREASE YES. It might actually give us little neutrals some nukes to protect ourselves instead of whining to the UN for a change.
Daganev2008-09-12 20:40:47
There was nothing -random- about my vote.
Shiri suggested that he felt that you were town after last night, he also said that the two of you can do something together, which implies you can talk to eachother....
I'm voting for Ryleth for the exact same reason that you are voting for Doman. The only difference is that you have 2 pieces of evidence against doman, and I have 3 against Ryleth.
ie., swinging votes, arguing with you about capitalism's evilness, voting for the red scare.
Shiri suggested that he felt that you were town after last night, he also said that the two of you can do something together, which implies you can talk to eachother....
I'm voting for Ryleth for the exact same reason that you are voting for Doman. The only difference is that you have 2 pieces of evidence against doman, and I have 3 against Ryleth.
ie., swinging votes, arguing with you about capitalism's evilness, voting for the red scare.
Daganev2008-09-12 20:42:05
Diamondais would be another option, but I don't remember her being so against the idea of capitalists being the badguys like ryleth is, so I'm taking the 3 peices of evidence vs the two pieces of evidence.
Daganev2008-09-12 20:42:52
Also, whomever was liberated might want to speak up about thier liberation, that might give us more info.
Diamondais2008-09-12 20:45:13
QUOTE(daganev @ Sep 12 2008, 04:42 PM) 556786
Diamondais would be another option, but I don't remember her being so against the idea of capitalists being the badguys like ryleth is, so I'm taking the 3 peices of evidence vs the two pieces of evidence.
If they're both cults, I wouldn't particularily care for either to gain the upper hand.
If they're both converting and this increase goes through, I feel they could use this to their advantage since I would imagine any country that has cult status would be a fairly large one in political and international standing.
In other words, on both issues, I'm still on the fence. Neither for nor against except for the fact I would like the UN to remain Neutral as it has always meant to be.