I'm not giving what Shadow said much stock yet. It's possible, but let's wait til we lynch someone who is actually scum, first.

Remember, we're the U.N...communism doesn't work with the UN

Remember this game isn't as it would appear to be IRL? Basing anything in the game off of IRL facts appears to be more and more ludicrious.

I disagree with Shadow, as Rika has pointed out if you are neutral you win with the normal town condition. Do we have two scum groups? Both Capiltalist and Communist Cults/mafia?

There, I picked out Rika's line too.



The above is the town win condition. I do not know if the UN here is town or not (though given the intro it appears to be that way), but apparently "neutral" equals town, and like it or not Cuba was neutral and so is my communist country. The logical conclussion would be that communists are town here.. and the UN we have has little to nothing to do with the one in IRL.

My scumdar is also starting to twitch, but since we cannot lynch I'm going to FOS: DOMAN

Oh Nominate Ryleth , Nominate Requiem

All hail the random number generator?

Ok. My thoughts:
1. Shadow is probably telling the truth, at least about the "cult immunity." This makes sense and I find it unlikely she's pulling it out of her arse for fun.
2. I find it unlikely that the ONLY enemy in the game is a cult, there's probably a scum group too. Note how the town isn't strictly "communist", it's "neutral" - there may still be a communist faction of mafia, like Russia, China and uh...South Ossertia or something. We'll find out tonight when checking the kill count.
3. I think we should be wary about assigning allegiances based on country name. Shadow claims to be a townie communist, but I'm town and not a communist (at least, IRL! Even during the mid20th century.) Cuba is clearly townie but unless everyone else claims communist there probably won't be enough relevant countries for the town to be getting on with if they were uniform in that respect.
4. We whiffed our daykill today AND lost two further potential kills. We'll have to deal with at least one converted cultist tomorrow. That means that as well as the usual scum tells, we need to look out for insufficiently explained bandwagon abandonment.

Unnominate Silferras, Unnominate: Doman (I forget who I had nominated last), Nom Shadow because though she isn't acquitted as town yet she's almost surely not cult. The info helps, anyway, and it's better than a random.

So because I think your logic is wrong, I'm scum?

Given the game size, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we have two mafia groups - actually it's pretty likely. One, as I said, is most likely capitalistic countries seeking to recruit new countries.

The other may be a regular mafia that bombs another country back into stoneage during the night. Or a second cult. We don't know that yet.

As for a communist cult.. given the game setting, who knows, it's possible (hell everything is, it seems) but I doubt it. Two cults in one game? That would be ridiculous. I'd more bet on a regular non-cult mafia as second group and/or a serial killer (the USA would totally fit for that too).

Iunno, USA seems more like an insane doctor, half a chance to protect, half a chance to kill

Well, are you?

Um, I can't imagine the USA -not- being capitalistic. Some things may differ from IRL in this game (a lot even) but can you image the USA as anything else than capitalistic? I can't... unless history went wrong several -hundreds- of years back.

...what?

hmm, maybe reading too much into it. I never said the U.S. wasn't capitalist, I said I don't think that Capitalism would be the cult, and I could be entirely wrong.

What I'm saying about America, is that it would fit, because that's kinda what america does, We go in and "save" people, or we send them to hell in a handbasket, but, The "Unrealistic" setup might just be right. We'll see when we lynch our first scum

Aesyra's info doesn't say "there is a cult", it says "you can't be converted to capitalism", right? That means capitalism is a cult.

I think you're very wrong on both of these sentences.

First: If my pm already suggests that I cannot be converted to capitalism, than what are the chances of it not referring to a cult? Very small would be the highest chance there, imo.

Second: Did you see Rika post Silvanus role, faction and power when he "died"? No? Good, because I didn't either. I only saw -him- posting it. Chances are, our lynches and nightkills will look -exactly- like that. We will know the nations name, but nothing else. And given how backwards this game is, the name won't tell us much of anything.

okay, both very fair points, I guess i was wrong. If you specifically CAN'T be converted to capitalism, then it's definitely a cult somewhere

Bedtime for me soon.

Shiri 5 Arix Shiri Silferras Furien Casilu
Arix 2 Arix Shaddus
daganev 1 Doman
Ryleth 2 Shaddus requiem
Silferras 2 Silferras Shiri
shadow 3 Diamondais shadow Shiri
requiem 2 Diamondais requiem
Doman 2 Doman
Casilu 3 Casilu Saran Furien
Saran 1 Saran
Diamondais 1 daganev
Zetsu 1 daganev

Remember, two nominations each. First two people to reach 9 nominations will win seats on the Security Council. Deadline in 18 hours. Don't let there be a tie! (Or bad things will happen. Bolded for emphasis)

Here is how I see things:

Rika mentioned in the rules that some groups may talk to each other all the time. Now as I as a neutral do not have this, I theroise these are the cult/mafia groups. They therefore can rally their vote to band-wagon nominate in a decided member. Shiri has a large number of votes quickly (perhaps yes as he posts a large amount), but perhaps due to this. Add the fact a probably neutral character in silvanus tried to top him means he very well could possibly be part of these scum groups.

This is pure speculation but I feel to be sure, we should move votes elsewhere. Also I'm going to -
Un-nominate: Requiem, Nominate: Shadow

NOMINATE SHIRI

If he's town he's going to play useful. If he's scum we will know in 1-2 days, since town-Shiri never lives that long. So if he's still alive by then, he's scum.

I'm more worried about him being recruited by the Mafia though, so if there's anyone out there having the power to protect against cult, do use it please.

Also was the mod-kill of silvanus for game-breaking? Or for being stupid enough to use nuclear weapons that destroy the world? The second would be slightly amusing but unfair

Just a thought