I -think- that's the arpee rational, but since we're trying to figure out the mechanics first, I'd say we figure the first problem out first.

Take out absolve, yes. Nothing is a bigger pain in the ass to get a domoth and then have someone absolve you after you QQ and can't do anything about it.

Domoth Times
Domoths should be randomized even more than villages (you can still get a window idea of when they will be, theres a big diff between at 2 pm something opens and sometime saturday though, so make it random like wildnodes). It would make the most sense that opposing domoths unlock at the same time, which also means two seperate groups can try to claim some. If everyone expects it and one opens up at a time you still have groups waiting and prepped for it and the whole thing was pointless. Ascendants perk is no essence loss in domoth Shu but they also claim faster, not a fan of changing time held unless they both release based on the average or something. Suggested time is after both domoths have hit their finishing time they hit between 1 and 5 days at any time of day. This way it wouldnt be prepped for and all.

Domoth Absolves
Remove it? All that is done is a group waits till no one from the other group is there and then doing it. For example.. an extreme case: Ceren, Thoros, Hyrtakos, Exeryte, Athana, Ixion, and I are all about but we only see say Xiel and Desitrus. We would absolve right then since we cant feasibly be stopped, that is kind of dumb and just gives a reason to set things up for crack of dawn. I liked the idea but how it works out tends to be kind of bleh.

Perk Changes
Reduced time it is felt should have other advantanges. Right now Shuyin holds a level of death for over 100 days is it? To absolve him you must be at crown while he is at sceptre, if he gets to orb you cannot touch him in the least, he also takes the domoth twice as fast and absolves such, and doesnt count it for how many he can gold. I also note Shuyin who has transed ascendant doesnt have to bash and has reached the 3rd top rank off essence build up, getting alot of essence per hour for something he no longer does. While I understand the feeling ascendants should have SOMETHING, they dont lose essence and they get a skillset, however they dont need any perks to essence or such.

Domoths in Balance
Domoths can be rather imbalancing in general. They generate too much power and essence both and in combination start unbalancing combat (read as+2 con, int, cha, with war etc etc etc). This can be discussed later though since you said you dont want to cover it here.

Why the Domoths used to switch
Magnagora would have a group and go up and fight for one. Nowadays Serenwilde and Celest TEAM every domoth and always do it when most no one is in Mag. This is not an anti Celenwilde comment but when Ceren and I are here and Xiel, Shuyin, Desitrus, and Nejii are claiming what are we really expected to do? If we kill any of them they will be back but we are more likely to die trying. This is when Domoths stopped changing hands.

Desired alterations to the system
-Remove the incredibly high speed from Ascendants, we should beable to organize before going up since they had time to organize before they left for it.
-Make them not all favour knights heavily (others can take them, but it is far from as easy as it is for someone who can tank).
-I would ask about limiting odds somehow but thats not feasible, its just kind of an eye rolling moment to have a 6 on 2. But randomized things would help with this instead.
-Give Ascendants something I suppose, but try not to make it so hugely in their favour (yes it cost alot to make one but most of us demigods only roll our eyes to see it no essence loss bastards).
-Slight changes to what the domoths do, look at them from a stand point. Ceren took a fair bit of damage when he killed someone because of death firing, I dont mean ping damage I mean over 2000 if I recall. War stacks with other buffs to actually give some people overly high damage (I wont get into that here).
-More utility effects like nature! Doesnt cause any chaos in combat but gives some control on top of its (current high) power and essence perks.

Thats all from me for now, oh and an instant Mal takes this domoth button?

Hope that helped, tried to be concise and address things.

I disagree that times should be randomized. The effort of getting them would be a bit meaningless then, considering you have to work up from sceptre to crown each and every time. I agree that they shouldn't all free up at the same time and instead free up in opposite pairs, though. Tbh, I don't really care if I lose essence up there (and I do during stage 3) so long as I get to keep the faster claim time. Frankly, domothing is pretty boring unless you're fighting.

The proposed absolve seems better, but if it's not changing, we're better off just getting rid of it given that currently, the absolver can pick and choose when to absolve to guarantee success.

I'm a bit on the fence about my perks for being a True Ascendant as far as my length of death domoth occupation and near-invincibility in absolution. While I understand it might be unfair for the others when it comes this, I have to stress that it wasn't exactly a cakewalk to win a medallion then convince others to help me out in the ascension. Neither was it hard though, so about middling! Of course I'm gonna get essence now, I've spent 120 million on Ascendance and I've got nothing else to put it on. I'm a bit of an extreme case though, and while it's no excuse, I'd still like to maintain that there should be a tangible reward for the effort, even if some people think it's not even that much effort to claim and maintain domoths.

Domoths generating power has already been discussed to death, so we can leave it at that. The perks themselves are fairly good on average. Some are pretty sucky (death minor) while some are too awesome (chaos major). I agree that it may need sorting out, but I suppose that involves a lot more discussion.

Domoths used to switch because Magnadoring exerted effort in doing so. I believe I've heard that the reason they don't go for them anymore is because they gave up. Giving up isn't conducive to improving things, so eh. I'm just saying that Celenwilde does the work needed and reaps the rewards, no more and no less. I will agree though that as of now, the odds are stacked against Magnadoring a bit too heavily.

P.S. Don't nerf things until I get rank 1.

Domoths were changing before Exeryte ever helped Mag, there was a reason why Mag held them all but Nature and Death, after all. Back when it was Ixion, Malarious, Ceren, Thoros, and myself Domoths were changing just fine, we were taking them from both Celest and Serenwilde and then Celest and Serenwilde started teaming up. Ixion went Dormant, Malarious threw a fit and quit trying, Thoros came around less and Celest and Serenwilde's Demigod/Ascendent numbers were increasing thus Ceren and I we were ending up at losing odds. Yes, he and I did try on our own a few times but against 5+ other people it was kind of pointless. Then there were times such as we were getting absolved and a group was holding greatpent in a mono'd, walled off room so there wasn't really a chance for us to get in to defend against it.

Its the 500K essence per RL day thing shu if I recall its around there supposedly. 25K per hour or so I think?

Yep I quit on domoths, got tired of SCAN showing like 30 on 10 too. Until theres decent odds I dont usually bother. Domoths win or lose used to be FUN, could have full fledeged fights. Now its mostly damage spam with stun whoring No offense to xiel but the passive damage plus his 2100 damage to my 7500 health with lvl 2 racial resistance, trans magic, and double power magic proofing makes it kind of pointless until buffs are brought down a bit. Thats kind of nuts to do, and Viscanti of course will NEVER do that kind of damage (read as bad stats).

I will do Domoths when its somewhat fair again, but while Shuying just spams stun and Xiel just spams damage its still kind of pointless for me to go up :/ pfifth and stun so you cant leave and then just spam damage and stun kind of got old. I dont in dying in a fight, but thats not really a fight, its just spamming holding in the room and bashing damage.

In Xiels defense I used pure damage in a free for all and killed everyone :/ which was kind of odd, then again bards have no dmp of their own.

Anyway I am glad to see posts coming in and replies and such. SHuyin needs to be stopped at rank 2. And yes you should have your perk but double speed taking domoth is bad, we cant even get together in time to get you at stage 1 when every kill is worth 2 and you kill them faster than they spawn You want a fight you have to let us get there and not raid when no ones around or when its 5 on 2. If 3 on 2 your 3 dies, bring up someone if it as no contest, but TRY to keep it fair if you know you are takin the domoth anyway so I can at least get in some blood

I'm fairly certain you didn't scan 30 on 10 when you qq'd against even numbers with a chokemense on your Domoth entrance.

Shazam.

Desitrus epic fails

BTW: Chokemesne was actually bad, choke wasnt set up in system very well so it paused EVERYTHING which is bad given the enemies >_<

This was also before I knew how to tweak that particular bit.

I'm the epic failure and yet you were being ranted about for weeks after that by your comrades. I believe you have that backwards. Your team wouldn't have been so pissed if the fight wasn't winnable.

This goes to the "just gave up" side. Including but not limited to a quote from Thoros which is "We could have held them but it's a waste of time. People who maintain Domoths simply have no lives. Sorry Shuyin and Desi, heh."

how does thoros giving up = all of mag giving up?

Have you met Magnagora?

yes we sip tea every eve on the 9 tone?

I like the idea of Domoths working like villages, and the same org not being allowed to hold opposing domoths just like villages. I'd go a step further and say only one domoth per person, but then I'd be flamed and boo'd.

I'm highly skeptical of the "more like villages" line, but I need to figure out a proper line of argument for that. I don't know if the reason people like villages is because they're randomly timed though. If people could orchestrate revolts I'm sure it would suck, but is being random better in any meaningful way than having a time specified ahead of time like with nexus weakenings?

Meanwhile, though: I wouldn't object to "same org not being allowed to hold opposing domoths" but I don't think it would help you a lot. If Malicia and Shuyin swapped harmony and beauty to fit in with that requirement the setup we have now would actually still be sustainable. And I don't see anything about the other changes that would make it meaningful. Magnadoring and Celenwilde would just organise it so the other person takes the domoth opposite the one they have.

How does it not?

You know, when predicting raids, we don't actually look at the number of Mags first. We check to see if Thoros is around.

Thoros is to Mag as Shuyin is to Serenwilde. Exeryte needs to get to work and be the 'it guy' for Glomdoring.

Meh... If astrologers will be able to determine the time a domoth is released, can it at least take some effort? This whole, "This will happen in exactly X days" is mildly annoying, at least to me.
Anyways, the idea, in basic terms:
The domoth pair releases when Sun enters conjuct with a another sphere, dependent on what domoth set it is. Life and Death for Eroee, Justice and War under Tarox, Chaos and Harmony under Papaxi, and Beauty and Knowledge under Sidiak. That leaves Aapek for Nature, which... doesn't really make sense, but oh well. As such, if Sun is in Lion, and, say, Eroee is in Crocodile, you could know that the Death and Life domoths are going to reset pretty soon. Although I need to doublecheck a few things, that should essentially set off each couple about once a year, with lots of fun randomness and some going faster than others. If you want to make it more convoluted, it could be that they wouldn't reset if the Moon was full or new. Something about the power of the Nature spirits holding the Domoths in check for the moment, maybe? Alternatively, one of the pair could reset under conjunct, and the other under opposite. Again, problems with Nature, but...

Perhaps it's completely stupid, though, and you'd rather stay without it.

Yeah, we would prefer being lazy astrologers over staying up to get to a weakening only to find it was happening after we had to go to sleep/work/whatever.