I forsee people fighting over novices.

Not really. All it encourage is that someone tell their protege to learn everything from them, because they'll extra free lessons.

"If you learn from me, you get a 5% lesson bonus. Booyah!"

So, they hang out whenever the protege wants to learn skills, and then go right back to ignoring them. Wow.

The bound credits is just stupidity.

What happens when I am omnitrans? I am almost there now. What happens when I have all the artifacts I want? What happens when I have no use for bound credits anymore? I sit with a crap load of credits I can't sell, gift to people, or basically do anything at all with. I can't even trade them to people on other games so I might try out another IRE to see what it is like.

Better than ignoring them all the time.

Moved this out of Idiots as it's relevant so be nice.

We are going to monitor mentor/protege abuse closely so be careful about the idea of "farming" proteges. Anyway, by changing the bonus to bound credits, we hope that should help deter "farming".

The over trans is very little (and yes there's a cap) and takes a lot of teaching to even notice a little bit. In any event, it's meant to encourage teaching trans skills as well as skills that aren't trans. If it's imbalanced, we may reverse it but I don't think it will be. Note, you go "over" trans with certain divine favours so it's not like it is something that we haven't seen before.

No, it just means, assuming I farm proteges for this new bumper crop of skill points. that I turn on my 'OK' trigger, go make coffee, eat a sandwich, wait for protege to stop learning, and send him/her on his/her way.

and if you think people don't use 'OK' triggers... you have not seen Shuyin make large groups of people spam 'OK' by being evil and pasting the learning line on clans.

Oh well thats cool.

Well, if you like being a shrub, feel free.

so people who don't want to mentor others have to eat it in combat now because why?

edit@ Est. Is having an OK trigger bad? I mean a novice learning takes forever, and if they ask questions sure I'll answer but is it paramount that I have to type ok every time?

I don't believe the bonus will mean non-mentors will "eat it in combat". On the other hand, why not give mentors a small bonus? Again, even in the unlikely event that someone maxes out a skill, it'd be less than a divine favour in that one skill (and, no, a divine favour wouldn't stack on top of it). So this small bonus for mentoring isn't a good idea because why?

Well, honestly, I don't see that being all that big an issue. Maybe one or two people will try (cause like Estarra said, they're gonna be watching) to be a-holes and do what you're talking about, but I doubt it'll be an overwhelming majority. I bet most folks will at least have a conversation with their proteges. Might answer a question or two or share a tidbit or something. If two proteges are learning at once, the two of them might converse together and become friends.

I think I mentioned in the thread about the Great Hunt that just because it's possible for folks to be tools doesn't mean everyone or even anyone will.

And lets say you're right and every mentor suddenly becomes an a-hole who ignores their proteges. Well, they'd have done that anyway, but at least now, the protege gets a little somethin out of it too with the learning 20 lessons at once part.

But really, I think you're just being a negative nancy.

And yeah, I know folks use OK triggers. I had to take them out of Ethelon's system. Annoying things!

So you are saying AFK rules are going to be enforced now? Or you are going to just start shrubbing anyone who has an 'OK' trigger?

Just getting clarification on your threat here.

It makes divine favours less original and less usefull?

An OK trigger is fine. Creating newbies and then mentoring them to your main for farming isn't so fine and will be shrubbable. Also, if a newbie has a mentor who is always AFK and just saying OK on a trigger (and never explaining anything or taking you hunting, etc.), I wonder why they'd keep you as a mentor--people know when they're being used.

That objection doesn't make sense to me.

Well, we'll just live with that.

What about having a friend come to you on an alt so you can both gain from the mentor bonus?

I don't think Estarra was threatening, Gregori.

Aside of: please don't make them bound credits. That is incredibly annoying and useless. Who says those credits from OOC purchases have to be limited to the character? It is just ... not needed. I would like to be able to sell credits from protege purchases, especially since they are basically 'free' credits and great for getting some gold.

Aside of, if it is capped then okay, it shouldn't be too bad. I guess... we'll see.

We'll look at it on a case-by-case basis. If it's a legitimate alt, fine. If there's a history of dozens of alts that never go anywhere that are used just for mentoring, then that may get you in trouble. Basically, we will frown on your gaming the mentor system just for the benefits.

Regarding bound credits, that is an IRE wide decision and out of my hands.