I appreciate that you are going to look at this issue, but I would like to clarify.

Most of the skills as Furien pointed out won't matter much in being above trans. It is the few skills that will matter much even marginally being above trans, that are the issue. You don't need to be at your combative best with some skills to make them have an edge over others that skews things, considerably.

1 tracker who never gets into combat but has a higher than trans skillset, can make a considerable difference.

Again, though, I am glad you are willing to look at before it becomes an issue.

So what you are saying is, the gain above tran is so miniscule, it's really not noticeable uness there is a LOT of it?

And just out of curiosity, what is to keep proteges from learning/forgetting/learning about 200 times?

Wouldn't this be a large part of the issue? Especially since once that future is met, it'll be too late to fix it without a huge amount of grumbling and protestation on the part of the people who put in the time novice-harvesting to get there.

And I agree.

In a few hours I'll be changing the Tracking formula, for those curious!

We'll have to agree to disagree regarding whether "above trans" is going too far. (Despite the good arguments here, I'm not convinced that's true.) However, I'm more than interested in hearing more Mentor-Protege incentive ideas!

How about instead of going above trans, every x amount of lessons taught in a skillset if you're trans gives you Y amount of lessons. That way there is still incentive to teach while transed, but nothing combat-changing.

Interesting, I'll have to think about that.

Acrune's idea works well, but if you do that, put them in the same skill pool.

I have to say that it's something I would consider better as well, though for people who reach omnitrans it won't help much.

Still, most of us do have skills we can still afford to learn stuff in, and it would be useful all around. All the same, it'll still take up time making sure it's not being abused.

Yanno, Acrune's idea made me giggle... it reminded me of Druid beehives... How about once a month we can "tap protege" for a random increase! I would gladly take on proteges for the chance to beat them!... I mean... teach them!

Even omnitrans people don't mind a little pool of lessons as an option if they ever change skillsets (which most players do at least a few times during their lifetimes--and no I'm not looking at anyone in particular!).

Hmm. Hmm. I do like this idea the more that I think about it.

I don't know anyone that might have changed guilds a few times, tri transed a few times, switched tertiaries a few times, been almost every trade skill... traded in artifacts for more lessons...



Hmmm I like this idea!

I know this would be different, but why not give that to ANY mentor, not just trans.

For instance. Sadly enough, I have never had a trans skill. Yep, it's true. However, I DO have a lot of proteges. If they learn from me, why not give me a small bonus? Nothing abusable, of course. Perhaps 2% of what is taught?

You already get a bonus in the skill you teach (though it's REALLY SMALL). Maybe it could be increased very slightly if they're a protege (2x would be a nice bonus, and still pretty small I think).

*agrees with Shaddus*
Give us more lessons that we can choose what to do with.

Exactly. I'm not sure about what is gained, but it's miniscule. (That's my word for today. )

Perhaps up the bonus, but put a cap on it per IRL day?

removing the gain from the skill that you teach, and just make teaching give out lessons in general, I think would be a really good idea.

It has a nice visible benefit (and ofcourse the lessons will go into the skillpool that you are teaching) (i.e. its nice to be able to actually see your progress)

Two questions:

First,

Is Trans Illusions + Truefavour + Mentor lesson bonus > Trans Illusions + Truefavour? Likewise with tracking and arts?

If so, this will force trackers, mages, bards and artists to try to get as many novices to mentor as they can and get the extra skill bonus in order to remain competitive regardless of if they are any good as a mentor or not due to the fact that you must have equal or higher skill in those skills than your opponent in order to dispell illusions/disarm traps/remove paintings and statues. That is not a good thing, because it will either, A] unbalance those three skills or B] cause newbies to get bad mentors.

Second,

You realize that if give a 5% bonus to learning from your mentor, that any novice that comes to Lusternia when nobody is around and has to learn their lessons from a denizen will have 4.76% less lessons than a normal novice and be disadvantaged mechanically based on an arbitary factor in addition to not having proper interaction with their guild, correct? And that this is likely to put newbies off the game when they find out about it?

And perhaps steer them towards getting a mentor? Which, IMHO, is something people should have if they are not a noob anyway. I wouldn't FORCE a novice to take a mentor, but it should be suggested.