Unknown2008-09-19 01:34:00
' Let's assume a novice buys 100 credits. That's 950 lessons, once you could the starting lessons. They learn and forget to get 998 lessons. Then again to get 1,048 lessons. Then 1,100 and so on. After ten goes it's 1,547 lessons. After 25, 3,217. 50 gives you 10,894 lessons. That can be done before novice time expires, I think.
Xenthos2008-09-19 01:37:21
QUOTE(Greleag @ Sep 18 2008, 09:34 PM) 559405
' Let's assume a novice buys 100 credits. That's 950 lessons, once you could the starting lessons. They learn and forget to get 998 lessons. Then again to get 1,048 lessons. Then 1,100 and so on. After ten goes it's 1,547 lessons. After 25, 3,217. 50 gives you 10,894 lessons. That can be done before novice time expires, I think.
Well, the really important part is the credits(lessons)-per-minute. However, since you keep freshman until you graduate in a guild-- you can always just QUIT GUILD if you're afraid of running out of time.
Unknown2008-09-19 01:43:45
That was more to point out how it quickly becomes exponential. After 50, it's 20 credits per minute. At 51 it's up to a whopping 91 credits a minute
Xenthos2008-09-19 01:51:01
QUOTE(Greleag @ Sep 18 2008, 09:43 PM) 559413
That was more to point out how it quickly becomes exponential. After 50, it's 20 credits per minute. At 51 it's up to a whopping 91 credits a minute
No, you can't learn that fast. You still have to go through the normal learning process, it just uses 20 lessons each time. The credit per minute ratio shouldn't actually change, it's just the time you need to go between FORGET-sessions that will lengthen exponentially.
It should still be about 1 credit per minute. Which is, well, far faster than pretty much any other source of credit generation...
Acrune2008-09-19 01:56:09
You don't even need more then 20 lessons. Just learning and forgetting after every learn is no slower then having a batch of 500.
Acrune2008-09-19 02:04:42
QUOTE(Greleag @ Sep 18 2008, 09:43 PM) 559413
That was more to point out how it quickly becomes exponential. After 50, it's 20 credits per minute. At 51 it's up to a whopping 91 credits a minute
Calm down a little there, heh.
Noola2008-09-19 02:10:43
I've just been skimming the last few posts, but are you all really thinking someone would get away with learning and forgetting over and over and over and over and over just to abuse the system and earn extra lessons? Don't you think something like that would get noticed? Seems to me like all that would come from something like that would be a little extra greenery in the game.
Acrune2008-09-19 02:15:18
I don't feel like people should be given the opportunity, otherwise someone is bound to abuse it.
Edit: Nah, I'll be nice
Edit: Nah, I'll be nice
Unknown2008-09-19 02:16:32
If people CAN do it, people WILL do it.
Unknown2008-09-19 02:16:57
@Acrune I saw what you did thar.
Unknown2008-09-19 02:22:15
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Sep 18 2008, 09:22 PM) 559401
You could, but it was always a really minuscule amount and never worth it (especially since the rate never increased). However, if you get 500 lessons, that's 25 free lessons every time you do it. I think learning is what, 10 seconds? Or was it shortened? Even at 10 seconds, that's 4 minutes for every 25 lessons. Or basically 1 credit per minute.
Faster then Hunting. Or Influencing.
Acrune2008-09-19 02:23:44
QUOTE(B_a_L_i @ Sep 18 2008, 10:16 PM) 559430
@Acrune I saw what you did thar.
I removed it even though it was funny (and true). I'm such a good person.
Noola2008-09-19 02:24:22
QUOTE(Acrune @ Sep 18 2008, 09:23 PM) 559436
I removed it even though it was funny (and true). I'm such a good person.
What was it?
Unknown2008-09-19 02:46:02
Right, science time:
Someone make an alt, whore out the system as fast as you can, and see if it works.
Then we'll know whether fears are grounded.
Someone make an alt, whore out the system as fast as you can, and see if it works.
Then we'll know whether fears are grounded.
Kharvik2008-09-19 02:49:45
Guess that means no more creating alts for friends to mentor to buy credits on then turning around and having them transfer the credits back to my main. Oh noes! :*0
Unknown2008-09-19 03:24:06
Well I few people qouted me but I don't think any of them understood my question at all. If somone learned his skills with out a mentor then you mentor them is it Ok to tell them to forget their skills to learn from me one time, to get the 5%?
Acrune2008-09-19 03:25:25
We understood your question, its just rather unimportant compared to the questions you inspired
Unknown2008-09-19 03:25:51
Seems alright to me. Works IC too, "Well he has to teach all of the novices, we'll be a bit more thorough this time.
Unknown2008-09-19 03:41:51
I'm fine with everything but the above-trans thing.
Seriously, I'm a secretary. Despite my complaining about Braves, I do like teaching them. I take them about, or let them expend their combat curiosity on me in the arena, or have a short little "story time" on occasion to give them a better understanding of the game world.
I have never brought up credits to novices, other than for questions they ask for which the answer left me no alternative but to elaborate on the system. And yet, the very first protege I had all but lead off with, after I helped him out for a while, "Don't expect me to buy credits or anything". Because, I suppose, he probably thought there was some motive behind any good deed.
I also have issue with going up to a novice and saying "hey, let me be your mentor". Any protege I've had, including the one above, asked me to mentor them without the slightest bit of hinting or the like.
But, you know what? I bet there are plenty of people just like me playing, or close to it. If it was only people like that, I wouldn't take issue with the change.
But, there are also people who aren't like that. There are people who all but press themselves on novices. I've even heard of a case where someone told a novice not to take the person they were going to take as a mentor, but take them instead.
As much as people like this need their head shut in a car door a few dozen times, people tell me that doing that is frowned upon for some reason. So, instead, I'd rather not give them a reason, especially a unique one like beyond-trans skills, to make me commit assault and battery.
Seriously, I'm a secretary. Despite my complaining about Braves, I do like teaching them. I take them about, or let them expend their combat curiosity on me in the arena, or have a short little "story time" on occasion to give them a better understanding of the game world.
I have never brought up credits to novices, other than for questions they ask for which the answer left me no alternative but to elaborate on the system. And yet, the very first protege I had all but lead off with, after I helped him out for a while, "Don't expect me to buy credits or anything". Because, I suppose, he probably thought there was some motive behind any good deed.
I also have issue with going up to a novice and saying "hey, let me be your mentor". Any protege I've had, including the one above, asked me to mentor them without the slightest bit of hinting or the like.
But, you know what? I bet there are plenty of people just like me playing, or close to it. If it was only people like that, I wouldn't take issue with the change.
But, there are also people who aren't like that. There are people who all but press themselves on novices. I've even heard of a case where someone told a novice not to take the person they were going to take as a mentor, but take them instead.
As much as people like this need their head shut in a car door a few dozen times, people tell me that doing that is frowned upon for some reason. So, instead, I'd rather not give them a reason, especially a unique one like beyond-trans skills, to make me commit assault and battery.
Unknown2008-09-19 05:39:07
Rainy now that sounds good and all. But now would you swallow the mentor situation and let them waste a free 5% If they didn't ask you?