Guess that means no more creating alts for friends to mentor to buy credits on then turning around and having them transfer the credits back to my main. Oh noes! :*0

Sounds like abuse of seconds to me, with or without these new changes.

There's no abuse of seconds there. Credits bought OOCly are allowed to be transferred (and, as such, you can make an alt for a friend to mentor so they can get the bonus). That's been posted (by the Admin) as being perfectly allowable.

The abuse is of the mentor system itself-- they've said before that they don't want mentors transferring the credits back to the main-character of the person who bought them (mentor credits are-- even more so now-- also IC credits), because it's supposed to be a bonus to the mentor, not a bonus on the purchase price to the other person.

That last part. That's exactly what he said, and that's exactly my objection.

That's what he said, but you mentioned the wrong abuse. Just wanted to point out it was abuse of the mentor system instead, since seconds-use in that case is allowed (or has been, at least).

Wait, so just so I understand, I wasn't allowed to give half of what I get to my protege?

Seriously?

You're not supposed to, no. They're IC credits and they're supposed to be yours.

Remember that the protege gets their full purchase (plus any bonuses). Your 'cut' doesn't take any away from them. At least, that's the reasoning.

But if they're IC credits, you can do with them whatever your character would do with them. He can give them to anyone he knows. It would only be breaking the rules to give them to someone your character had never met, or an alt.

I would say credits gained via the mentor bonus are gained IC(payment for services rendered), so those could not be transfered to an alt. As for going back to the protege, that is infact another person... I don't really like it personally. Those are just my thoughts, lets see what Estarra has to say.

On another note, anyone remember the good ol' days when mentors got 25%

But if they're IC credits, you can do with them whatever your character would do with them. He can give them to anyone he knows. It would only be breaking the rules to give them to someone your character had never met, or an alt.

Mine or theirs?

For instance, say Casilu has an alt that is my protege. She buys 100, I get 15.
A: I give 8 to Casilu's alt.
B: I give 8 to Casilu.

Either of these are illegal?

Mine or theirs?

For instance, say Casilu has an alt that is my protege. She buys 100, I get 15.
A: I give 8 to Casilu's alt.
B: I give 8 to Casilu.

Either of these are illegal?

And no, that was just a "for instance". Casilu doesn't have a protege of mine. I don't think so, at least.

ANNOUNCE NEWS #1189
Date: 9/19/2008 at 19:23
From: Estarra, the Eternal
To : Everyone
Subj: Mentor Bonuses

We've had to revoke two mentor benefits:
- Mentors will not have any benefit for teach proteges.
- Proteges learning from mentors won't have the bonus of 21 lessons for
learning 20 (though they still can learn 20 lessons at a time).

The reason we're undoing these benefits is because of an exploit we
didn't foresee. However, I'd still like to have more benefits between
mentors and proteges to encourage more interaction--if you have any
ideas, please post to the forums!

Penned by My hand on the 23rd of Juliary, in the year 216 CE.