Desitrus2008-09-22 22:54:50
Cap balance loss, add an immunity timer. Make the stun immunity timer longer. It's sort of like I keep repeating myself over the course of a year or something...
Unknown2008-09-22 23:01:18
QUOTE(Desitrus @ Sep 22 2008, 06:54 PM) 560866
... ....... ...., ... .. ........ ..... . .... ... .... ........ ..... ...... . ..'. .... .. .... I keep repeating myself over the course of a year or something...
I'm sorry, could you say that again?
Charune2008-09-23 03:17:48
I have asked the envoys to review stunning, balance loss, and knight damage. If you have recommendations and/or concerns, please forward it to them so they can evaluate and send it our way.
Celina2008-09-23 03:27:24
Balance loss stacking is an issue, but the solution is not a balance lock cap. Fix the archetypes that can stack balance loss. Ninjakari/Tahtetso/BC. An overall blanket nerf (which the admin seem rather fond of) will end up screwing other people. Mainly Nihilists.
Charune2008-09-23 03:41:30
QUOTE(Celina @ Sep 22 2008, 11:27 PM) 560982
Balance loss stacking is an issue, but the solution is not a balance lock cap. Fix the archetypes that can stack balance loss. Ninjakari/Tahtetso/BC. An overall blanket nerf (which the admin seem rather fond of) will end up screwing other people. Mainly Nihilists.
An overall blanket nerf would probably be undesirable as this issue seems to be limited to knights more than other classes. Please feel free to send your recommendations through your envoy. Hopefully the issues experienced will be resolved without affecting the game balance and class viability in a negative way.
Shiri2008-09-23 03:44:13
QUOTE(Celina @ Sep 23 2008, 04:27 AM) 560982
Balance loss stacking is an issue, but the solution is not a balance lock cap. Fix the archetypes that can stack balance loss. Ninjakari/Tahtetso/BC. An overall blanket nerf (which the admin seem rather fond of) will end up screwing other people. Mainly Nihilists.
1. This is an issue in teams as well as solo. With that in mind:
2. How would you fix it without a balance loss cap?
3. How is it any fairer when only one org can balance lock (Nihilists) rather than now, when any org can do it with BCs?
Charune2008-09-23 03:45:58
QUOTE(Shiri @ Sep 22 2008, 11:44 PM) 560992
1. This is an issue in teams as well as solo. With that in mind:
2. How would you fix it without a balance loss cap?
3. How is it any fairer when only one org can balance lock (Nihilists) rather than now, when any org can do it with BCs?
2. How would you fix it without a balance loss cap?
3. How is it any fairer when only one org can balance lock (Nihilists) rather than now, when any org can do it with BCs?
I'm not yet sure how it should be fixed, which is why I've asked the envoys to come to a consensus through commenting on the issue.
I don't want balance locks to be removed, but it seems clear from player opinion that currently there's too much power in balance loss, making it too easy to "balance lock".
Furien2008-09-23 03:55:44
QUOTE(Shiri @ Sep 22 2008, 08:44 PM) 560992
1. This is an issue in teams as well as solo. With that in mind:
2. How would you fix it without a balance loss cap?
3. How is it any fairer when only one org can balance lock (Nihilists) rather than now, when any org can do it with BCs?
2. How would you fix it without a balance loss cap?
3. How is it any fairer when only one org can balance lock (Nihilists) rather than now, when any org can do it with BCs?
Remove wind and offbalancers from monks. They attack too fast for it to be reasonable. Change the BC version of it to a type of attack that isn't a strike- that way they won't be able to use it 100%, and there'll be a chance they hit the chest/head/etc. instead.
It -will- be slightly fairer. Nihilists require setup for their balance lock. Affliction classes have a hard time 'setting up' in group target, because most targets are moving around too quickly or just die too fast. BCs can just spam roomwide ecto and strike away. Consider that the cost of ectoplasm was (Is?) supposed to rise for it to be used roomwide, too.
Shiri2008-09-23 03:58:08
I don't think the cost of ectoplasm is slated to rise. It wasn't done in the necromancy report for some bizarre reason. Even if it is, it's still a room attack that all necroes have so they can do it very fast and then between contagion and so on, you're screwed. But I guess that's an issue with OP ecto rather than with OP nihilist balance loss.
Rather than removing balance loss from monks, I think the wind moves are losing momentum. And rather than their attacking too fast, they mainly need to be slowed down at higher speed levels (also post-momentum.)
Rather than removing balance loss from monks, I think the wind moves are losing momentum. And rather than their attacking too fast, they mainly need to be slowed down at higher speed levels (also post-momentum.)
Vathael2008-09-23 03:59:53
Removing wind would be silly. I say leave wind as it is, leave balance loss skills as they are and put a cap on after balance loss has stacked to x point and then give an immunity. This still makes sacrifice a viable kill for a warrior but not possible to completely lock someone out of a fight.
Unknown2008-09-23 04:18:11
QUOTE(Furien @ Sep 22 2008, 05:55 PM) 561000
Remove wind and offbalancers from monks. They attack too fast for it to be reasonable. Change the BC version of it to a type of attack that isn't a strike- that way they won't be able to use it 100%, and there'll be a chance they hit the chest/head/etc. instead.
It -will- be slightly fairer. Nihilists require setup for their balance lock. Affliction classes have a hard time 'setting up' in group target, because most targets are moving around too quickly or just die too fast. BCs can just spam roomwide ecto and strike away. Consider that the cost of ectoplasm was (Is?) supposed to rise for it to be used roomwide, too.
It -will- be slightly fairer. Nihilists require setup for their balance lock. Affliction classes have a hard time 'setting up' in group target, because most targets are moving around too quickly or just die too fast. BCs can just spam roomwide ecto and strike away. Consider that the cost of ectoplasm was (Is?) supposed to rise for it to be used roomwide, too.
The part about BC warriors is probably the most reasonable and fair solution. I do not have any experience with monks so I couldn't comment on that.
Vathael2008-09-23 04:31:43
On the topic of looking into things and making changes:
Izekeal plays a black ash lute and directs the whispering notes towards you.
AFF ego vice
9132h, 2800m, 5367e, 4p, 30293en, 24862w elrkp<>-outr horehound
eat horehound
sip mana
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
9132h, 2800m, 5367e, 4p, 30313en, 24876w elrxkp<>-stand
You remove 1 horehound, bringing the total in the Rift to 1016.
9132h, 2800m, 5367e, 4p, 30313en, 24876w elrxkp<>-
You eat a horehound blossom.
A horehound blossom turns to ash in your mouth, which you spit out.
You hear strange whispers, and a sharp pain stabs you between the eyes.
8859h, 2286m, 5114e, 4p, 30313en, 24876w elrxkp<>-
You take a drink from an opal vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
8859h, 3126m, 5114e, 4p, 30313en, 24876w elrxkp<>-
You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
+--+
8855h, 3088m, 5114e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-outr coltsfoot
eat coltsfoot
You hear strange whispers, and a sharp pain stabs you between the eyes.
8207h, 3088m, 4514e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-outr horehound
eat horehound
You remove 1 coltsfoot, bringing the total in the Rift to 1433.
8207h, 3088m, 4514e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You may be healed by a scroll again.
8207h, 3088m, 4514e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-read 103123
You eat a plug of coltsfoot.
A plug of coltsfoot turns to ash in your mouth, which you spit out.
You hear strange whispers, and a sharp pain stabs you between the eyes.
7850h, 2480m, 4183e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-outr horehound
eat horehound
You remove 1 horehound, bringing the total in the Rift to 1015.
7850h, 2480m, 4183e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You eat a horehound blossom.
A horehound blossom turns to ash in your mouth, which you spit out.
You hear strange whispers, and a sharp pain stabs you between the eyes.
7557h, 1788m, 3911e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You read a Scroll of Healing.
You feel an invigorating energy rush through you.
8819h, 2068m, 4571e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You remove 1 horehound, bringing the total in the Rift to 1014.
8819h, 2068m, 4571e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You eat a horehound blossom.
A horehound blossom turns to ash in your mouth, which you spit out.
You hear strange whispers, and a sharp pain stabs you between the eyes.
8483h, 1478m, 4259e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-outr horehound
eat horehound
The ache in your ear canals clears up.
8968h, 1553m, 4259e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You remove 1 horehound, bringing the total in the Rift to 1013.
8968h, 1553m, 4259e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You eat a horehound blossom.
CURED ego vice
8968h, 1553m, 4259e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
Izekeal plays a black ash lute and directs the whispering notes towards you.
AFF ego vice
9132h, 2800m, 5367e, 4p, 30293en, 24862w elrkp<>-outr horehound
eat horehound
sip mana
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
9132h, 2800m, 5367e, 4p, 30313en, 24876w elrxkp<>-stand
You remove 1 horehound, bringing the total in the Rift to 1016.
9132h, 2800m, 5367e, 4p, 30313en, 24876w elrxkp<>-
You eat a horehound blossom.
A horehound blossom turns to ash in your mouth, which you spit out.
You hear strange whispers, and a sharp pain stabs you between the eyes.
8859h, 2286m, 5114e, 4p, 30313en, 24876w elrxkp<>-
You take a drink from an opal vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
8859h, 3126m, 5114e, 4p, 30313en, 24876w elrxkp<>-
You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
+--+
8855h, 3088m, 5114e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-outr coltsfoot
eat coltsfoot
You hear strange whispers, and a sharp pain stabs you between the eyes.
8207h, 3088m, 4514e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-outr horehound
eat horehound
You remove 1 coltsfoot, bringing the total in the Rift to 1433.
8207h, 3088m, 4514e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You may be healed by a scroll again.
8207h, 3088m, 4514e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-read 103123
You eat a plug of coltsfoot.
A plug of coltsfoot turns to ash in your mouth, which you spit out.
You hear strange whispers, and a sharp pain stabs you between the eyes.
7850h, 2480m, 4183e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-outr horehound
eat horehound
You remove 1 horehound, bringing the total in the Rift to 1015.
7850h, 2480m, 4183e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You eat a horehound blossom.
A horehound blossom turns to ash in your mouth, which you spit out.
You hear strange whispers, and a sharp pain stabs you between the eyes.
7557h, 1788m, 3911e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You read a Scroll of Healing.
You feel an invigorating energy rush through you.
8819h, 2068m, 4571e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You remove 1 horehound, bringing the total in the Rift to 1014.
8819h, 2068m, 4571e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You eat a horehound blossom.
A horehound blossom turns to ash in your mouth, which you spit out.
You hear strange whispers, and a sharp pain stabs you between the eyes.
8483h, 1478m, 4259e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-outr horehound
eat horehound
The ache in your ear canals clears up.
8968h, 1553m, 4259e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You remove 1 horehound, bringing the total in the Rift to 1013.
8968h, 1553m, 4259e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
You eat a horehound blossom.
CURED ego vice
8968h, 1553m, 4259e, 4p, 30292en, 24873w exk<>-
Celina2008-09-23 04:32:52
Change wind so that you can't wind while your opponent is winded. "You knock the wind out of so and so. So and so has not recovered their breath." Remove Oolibah. This allows ninjas to still cause balance loss with ninchu+ninombhi but it won't be crazy long, and it won't get longer with oolibah's help. I don't know about tahtetso. Not familiar with them.
Nihilist balance loss requires considerable set up. It's not anything like mashing a kata or wind macro. For one, scabies and epilepsy have a random timer which makes things very unpredictable. I think it's fine for Nihilists to have access to unique balance lock abilities. It should be their kill method IMO. It's the direction the envoy report was trying to take Nihilists, but wasn't fully realized by everyone else.
In summary. Give a balance loss immunity to active balance loss skills. Do not put the immunity on passives like scabies/blacklung.
This might be a horrible idea. Just what I came up with. :/
Nihilist balance loss requires considerable set up. It's not anything like mashing a kata or wind macro. For one, scabies and epilepsy have a random timer which makes things very unpredictable. I think it's fine for Nihilists to have access to unique balance lock abilities. It should be their kill method IMO. It's the direction the envoy report was trying to take Nihilists, but wasn't fully realized by everyone else.
In summary. Give a balance loss immunity to active balance loss skills. Do not put the immunity on passives like scabies/blacklung.
This might be a horrible idea. Just what I came up with. :/
Shiri2008-09-23 04:37:58
Maybe it's a good idea. You're probably right that wind/kata off-balancing (keep in mind those abilities are being changed with momentum though so they might be balanced already; we'll have to see) is way easier than the Nihilist setup - in solo, anyway (in groups ecto/contagion are cheap and easy room attacks, so that'll still be a problem.)
I should note though that balance loss is one of those kill methods where if the guy does his routine properly, the other guy dies. You can't cure it or anything, you have to wait until either you die or the attacker screws up. That's not ideal.
I should note though that balance loss is one of those kill methods where if the guy does his routine properly, the other guy dies. You can't cure it or anything, you have to wait until either you die or the attacker screws up. That's not ideal.
Unknown2008-09-23 05:53:33
QUOTE(geb @ Sep 22 2008, 06:23 PM) 560773
Remember this post by you Thoros?
What difference is there between what happened in this thread and what happened to you? You mentioned parry, but parry stops Bomolini too if you parry the legs, but oh that is easily bypassed with the monk knocking the person prone. Seems BCs can do the same thing, unless there is something that stops wind from working while the person is prone? BCs back then felt that it was impossible to do what was shown in this thread, but now it is known that it was just a matter of using very fast weapons to accomplish the feat.
Anyhow, just Like Bomolini needed/needs a fix, this needs a fix too. Yes, Sacrifice needs balance to stack inorder for it to be possible to pull off, but it does not need it to stack continuously. What ever limit is placed on how much balance stacks, needs to be looked at again. Also, allowing it to stack to a certain point does not exclude the possibility that after the max stack time is reached, that a balance loss immunity timer be placed after the person regains balance. I believe it is possible to balance both sides of this equation that keeps balance loss stacking from being over or underpowered.
QUOTE
You spew forth a filthy cloud of bloated green flies.
7900h, 4213m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30860w xk<>-
You bleed 10 health.
7890h, 4213m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30874w xk<>-
You may drink another purgative or curing potion.
7890h, 4197m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w xk<>-
A fetid cold surrounds Geb who shudders.
7890h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w xk<>-
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your right leg with a battered tahto staff.
You fumble to keep your footing from the powerful strike.
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your left leg with a battered tahto staff.
You fumble to keep your footing from the powerful strike.
A coldness seeps deep into the marrow of your bones.
drink fire
With a quick spin, Geb kicks you in the head with his left foot.
You may eat or smoke another herb.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
A feeling of comfortable warmth spreads over you.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
Geb takes a drink from an onyx vial.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-ql
info here
who here
At the top of a roaring waterfall.
A sickly black cloud of filth pollutes the air, buzzing with bloated green flies. Geb Kamau towers here, shrouded. He wields a battered tahto staff with both hands.
You see exits leading north, east, west, northwest, and down.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
"mistdragon10392" Merfua de Brume, a mist dragon
"mistdragon49963" L'eau de Brume, a mist dragon
"contagion100320" a cloud of contagion
Number of objects: 3
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
You see the following people here:
Geb, Thoros
***Anti Illusion Mode Activated***
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
Geb swings a battered tahto staff at you, but you duck out of its way.
Geb swings his leg high into the air at your head.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-apply health to legs
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your skin.
The deep damage in your left leg completely heals.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
You may drink another purgative or curing potion.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w ek<>-
With a quick spin, Geb kicks you in the head with his left foot.
Geb cracks a battered tahto staff precisely into your right arm, causing spasms to numb your stiffening side.
smoke 16699
Geb swings a battered tahto staff at you, but you duck out of its way.
Now now, don't be so hasty!
5409h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w ek<>-(1)
You take a toke from the pipe.
AFFHEMIPLEGY(RIGHT)_CURED
5409h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30884w ek<>-
Merfua de Brume, a mist dragon breathes mist at you.
L'eau de Brume, a mist dragon breathes mist at you.
5350h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30884w ek<>-(1)(2?)
POSSIBLE AMNESIA
You can hardly contemplate sleeping with the water currents attempting to drag you down.
Tiny tremours spread through your body as the world seems to slow down.
5550h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)
5550h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
5550h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
Geb razes your speed defence with a battered tahto staff.
drink quicksilver
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your right leg with a battered tahto staff.
You fumble to keep your footing from the powerful strike.
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your left leg with a battered tahto staff.
You fumble to keep your footing from the powerful strike.
Geb twists and aims a kick at you, but you jump back and out of the way.
4656h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4656h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
You take a drink from a ruby vial.
4656h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)
4656h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4656h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4656h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4656h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)
You bleed 24 health.
4632h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4632h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4632h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)
You may eat or smoke another herb.
outr pennyroyal
eat pennyroyal
5290h, 4224m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
Geb sweeps a battered tahto staff into your chest with a loud crack, causing the staff to vibrate.
Geb swings his leg high into the air at your head, sending you reeling.
3995h, 4224m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ekp<>-(1)sprinkle salt
3995h, 4224m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30851w ekp<>-(1)sprinkle salt
You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 1268.
3995h, 4224m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30851w ekp<>-(1)
You fondle yourself absently.
focus mind
eat pennyroyal
3995h, 4224m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30851w ekp<>-
You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
You aren't such a complete idiot anymore.
___Afflictions Cleared.___
3995h, 4037m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w ekp<>-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3995h, 4037m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w ekp<>-sprinkle salt
You eat a bunch of pennyroyal.
3995h, 4037m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w ekp<>-
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your head with a battered tahto staff.
Geb sweeps a battered tahto staff into you, sending painful vibrations up your gut.
With a quick spin, Geb kicks you in the head with his left foot.
A surge of rejuvenating energy floods your system, healing your wounds.
4715h, 4037m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w ekp<>-sprinkle salt
Stunned.
4715h, 4037m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w ekp<>-sprinkle salt
sprinkle salt
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4715h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-
Stunned.
4715h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-
Stunned.
5110h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-sprinkle salt
Stunned.
5110h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-
Stunned.
5110h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-
Your mind is able to focus once again.
5110h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-
Geb swings a battered tahto staff at you but hits nothing but air.
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your right leg with a battered tahto staff.
You fumble to keep your footing from the powerful strike.
Geb swings his leg high into the air at your head.
3252h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30790w ekp<>-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
3252h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30790w ekp<>-apply health to
You are no longer stunned.
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
CURRENT STANCE - UPPER
Bodytarget - Legs - Head
stand
stance legs
unparry
parry head 100
read 55123
apply health to legs
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your head with a battered tahto staff.
Hmmmm. Why must everything be so difficult to figure out?
focus mind
Geb sweeps a battered tahto staff into you, sending painful vibrations up your gut.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
Geb leaps into the air and kicks out at you, but falls short and misses.
1751h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30790w ekp<>-
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
2541h, 4400m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30786w ekp<>-
You flip the bird.
2541h, 4400m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30786w ekp<>-
You flap your arms madly.
2541h, 4400m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30786w ekp<>-
You yell, "I like cheese!"
2541h, 4400m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30786w ekp<>-
Quit trying to confuse me.
Several flies from the black cloud of filth fly into the mouth of Geb, making him gag and choke.
Geb razes your speed defence with a battered tahto staff.
drink quicksilver
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your head with a battered tahto staff.
Your vision spins and everything suddenly becomes hazy as your head throbs in pain.
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your head with a battered tahto staff.
With a quick spin, Geb kicks you in the head with his left foot.
You collapse to the ground and die as your body is no longer able to take the punishment.
You have been slain by Geb.
You are no longer stunned.
stand
stance upper
You are OUT of the combat free-for-all!
The spectator stands of the Klangratch Tournies.
The shadowy outline of a twisted forest casts a dark gloom here. Ilyarin, the White Inferno towers here. He wields a golden lyre in his left hand. Avery is here. He wields a battered tahto staff with both hands.
You see exits leading in and out.
Geb stands triumphant, the winner of the free-for-all in the Klangratch Tournies.
Didn't regain balance during the fight. Nor did any of my actions after stun go through due to the length of stun.
The fight didn't last more than 6 seconds after I dropped contagion.
Edit: Oh I regained balance nevermind...but was stunned shortly after along with more balance loss.
Admin you have surely made the perfect class!
7900h, 4213m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30860w xk<>-
You bleed 10 health.
7890h, 4213m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30874w xk<>-
You may drink another purgative or curing potion.
7890h, 4197m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w xk<>-
A fetid cold surrounds Geb who shudders.
7890h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w xk<>-
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your right leg with a battered tahto staff.
You fumble to keep your footing from the powerful strike.
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your left leg with a battered tahto staff.
You fumble to keep your footing from the powerful strike.
A coldness seeps deep into the marrow of your bones.
drink fire
With a quick spin, Geb kicks you in the head with his left foot.
You may eat or smoke another herb.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
A feeling of comfortable warmth spreads over you.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
Geb takes a drink from an onyx vial.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-ql
info here
who here
At the top of a roaring waterfall.
A sickly black cloud of filth pollutes the air, buzzing with bloated green flies. Geb Kamau towers here, shrouded. He wields a battered tahto staff with both hands.
You see exits leading north, east, west, northwest, and down.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
"mistdragon10392" Merfua de Brume, a mist dragon
"mistdragon49963" L'eau de Brume, a mist dragon
"contagion100320" a cloud of contagion
Number of objects: 3
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
You see the following people here:
Geb, Thoros
***Anti Illusion Mode Activated***
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
Geb swings a battered tahto staff at you, but you duck out of its way.
Geb swings his leg high into the air at your head.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-apply health to legs
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your skin.
The deep damage in your left leg completely heals.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
You may drink another purgative or curing potion.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w k<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
6471h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w ek<>-
With a quick spin, Geb kicks you in the head with his left foot.
Geb cracks a battered tahto staff precisely into your right arm, causing spasms to numb your stiffening side.
smoke 16699
Geb swings a battered tahto staff at you, but you duck out of its way.
Now now, don't be so hasty!
5409h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30870w ek<>-(1)
You take a toke from the pipe.
AFFHEMIPLEGY(RIGHT)_CURED
5409h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30884w ek<>-
Merfua de Brume, a mist dragon breathes mist at you.
L'eau de Brume, a mist dragon breathes mist at you.
5350h, 3947m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30884w ek<>-(1)(2?)
POSSIBLE AMNESIA
You can hardly contemplate sleeping with the water currents attempting to drag you down.
Tiny tremours spread through your body as the world seems to slow down.
5550h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)
5550h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
5550h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
Geb razes your speed defence with a battered tahto staff.
drink quicksilver
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your right leg with a battered tahto staff.
You fumble to keep your footing from the powerful strike.
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your left leg with a battered tahto staff.
You fumble to keep your footing from the powerful strike.
Geb twists and aims a kick at you, but you jump back and out of the way.
4656h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4656h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
You take a drink from a ruby vial.
4656h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)
4656h, 3872m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30854w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4656h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4656h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4656h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)
You bleed 24 health.
4632h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4632h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
4632h, 3858m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)
You may eat or smoke another herb.
outr pennyroyal
eat pennyroyal
5290h, 4224m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ek<>-(1)sprinkle salt
Geb sweeps a battered tahto staff into your chest with a loud crack, causing the staff to vibrate.
Geb swings his leg high into the air at your head, sending you reeling.
3995h, 4224m, 6300e, 7p, 26400en, 30851w ekp<>-(1)sprinkle salt
3995h, 4224m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30851w ekp<>-(1)sprinkle salt
You remove 1 pennyroyal, bringing the total in the Rift to 1268.
3995h, 4224m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30851w ekp<>-(1)
You fondle yourself absently.
focus mind
eat pennyroyal
3995h, 4224m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30851w ekp<>-
You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
You aren't such a complete idiot anymore.
___Afflictions Cleared.___
3995h, 4037m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w ekp<>-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3995h, 4037m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w ekp<>-sprinkle salt
You eat a bunch of pennyroyal.
3995h, 4037m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w ekp<>-
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your head with a battered tahto staff.
Geb sweeps a battered tahto staff into you, sending painful vibrations up your gut.
With a quick spin, Geb kicks you in the head with his left foot.
A surge of rejuvenating energy floods your system, healing your wounds.
4715h, 4037m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w ekp<>-sprinkle salt
Stunned.
4715h, 4037m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w ekp<>-sprinkle salt
sprinkle salt
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4715h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-
Stunned.
4715h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-
Stunned.
5110h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-sprinkle salt
Stunned.
5110h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-
Stunned.
5110h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-
Your mind is able to focus once again.
5110h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30776w exkp<>-
Geb swings a battered tahto staff at you but hits nothing but air.
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your right leg with a battered tahto staff.
You fumble to keep your footing from the powerful strike.
Geb swings his leg high into the air at your head.
3252h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30790w ekp<>-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
3252h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30790w ekp<>-apply health to
You are no longer stunned.
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
CURRENT STANCE - UPPER
Bodytarget - Legs - Head
stand
stance legs
unparry
parry head 100
read 55123
apply health to legs
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your head with a battered tahto staff.
Hmmmm. Why must everything be so difficult to figure out?
focus mind
Geb sweeps a battered tahto staff into you, sending painful vibrations up your gut.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
Geb leaps into the air and kicks out at you, but falls short and misses.
1751h, 4112m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30790w ekp<>-
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
2541h, 4400m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30786w ekp<>-
You flip the bird.
2541h, 4400m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30786w ekp<>-
You flap your arms madly.
2541h, 4400m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30786w ekp<>-
You yell, "I like cheese!"
2541h, 4400m, 6300e, 8p, 26400en, 30786w ekp<>-
Quit trying to confuse me.
Several flies from the black cloud of filth fly into the mouth of Geb, making him gag and choke.
Geb razes your speed defence with a battered tahto staff.
drink quicksilver
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your head with a battered tahto staff.
Your vision spins and everything suddenly becomes hazy as your head throbs in pain.
With a quick spin, Geb strikes your head with a battered tahto staff.
With a quick spin, Geb kicks you in the head with his left foot.
You collapse to the ground and die as your body is no longer able to take the punishment.
You have been slain by Geb.
You are no longer stunned.
stand
stance upper
You are OUT of the combat free-for-all!
The spectator stands of the Klangratch Tournies.
The shadowy outline of a twisted forest casts a dark gloom here. Ilyarin, the White Inferno towers here. He wields a golden lyre in his left hand. Avery is here. He wields a battered tahto staff with both hands.
You see exits leading in and out.
Geb stands triumphant, the winner of the free-for-all in the Klangratch Tournies.
Didn't regain balance during the fight. Nor did any of my actions after stun go through due to the length of stun.
The fight didn't last more than 6 seconds after I dropped contagion.
Edit: Oh I regained balance nevermind...but was stunned shortly after along with more balance loss.
Admin you have surely made the perfect class!
What difference is there between what happened in this thread and what happened to you? You mentioned parry, but parry stops Bomolini too if you parry the legs, but oh that is easily bypassed with the monk knocking the person prone. Seems BCs can do the same thing, unless there is something that stops wind from working while the person is prone? BCs back then felt that it was impossible to do what was shown in this thread, but now it is known that it was just a matter of using very fast weapons to accomplish the feat.
Anyhow, just Like Bomolini needed/needs a fix, this needs a fix too. Yes, Sacrifice needs balance to stack inorder for it to be possible to pull off, but it does not need it to stack continuously. What ever limit is placed on how much balance stacks, needs to be looked at again. Also, allowing it to stack to a certain point does not exclude the possibility that after the max stack time is reached, that a balance loss immunity timer be placed after the person regains balance. I believe it is possible to balance both sides of this equation that keeps balance loss stacking from being over or underpowered.
Since it's obvious you didn't read my post clearly I'll say it again. Chance necromancy from being based around balance loss to aim for the skillset instakill and then a balance loss nerf can be done in proper order.
Geb2008-09-23 06:18:54
QUOTE(Thoros LaSaet @ Sep 23 2008, 06:53 AM) 561136
Since it's obvious you didn't read my post clearly I'll say it again. Chance necromancy from being based around balance loss to aim for the skillset instakill and then a balance loss nerf can be done in proper order.
Oh, I read your posts. Remember the first post you made, the one where you were trying to point out what Alianna did wrong instead of just acknowledging that there is a problem?
Unknown2008-09-23 06:20:49
QUOTE(geb @ Sep 23 2008, 06:18 AM) 561156
Oh, I read your posts. Remember the first post you made, the one where you were trying to point out what Alianna did wrong instead of just acknowledging that there is a problem?
Yeah, I pointed out what she did wrong. There was no problem except she wasn't trans discipline and couldn't stand from the paralysis.
Unknown2008-09-23 08:35:55
Thoros, can you change those code tags to quote please? I can't -read- this thread anymore.
Or any mod for that matter. Changing code tags to quote tags is a GOOD reason for moderation.
EDIT: Fixed! I was wondering how to do that. - Mod
MY EDIT:
Or any mod for that matter. Changing code tags to quote tags is a GOOD reason for moderation.
EDIT: Fixed! I was wondering how to do that. - Mod
MY EDIT:
Malarious2008-09-24 16:41:08
QUOTE(Charune @ Sep 22 2008, 11:41 PM) 560988
An overall blanket nerf would probably be undesirable as this issue seems to be limited to knights more than other classes. Please feel free to send your recommendations through your envoy. Hopefully the issues experienced will be resolved without affecting the game balance and class viability in a negative way.
What envoy?
Most people understand there is -1- class in Lusternia intended to be able to achieve balance lock and they dont do it very well in groups (easier to kill them than balance lock in groups). Nihilists dont need the major smack, they need their kills doable.
Lower stuns or increase immunity (if you drop stun without longer immunity than you will just get hit more often and have alot more windows you are immune). If stuns get nerfed though they made need something else to cope with it. Balance loss can be reduced from BC and reduced/removed from monks as has been said.
This thread, though argumentative at times has basically stated everything we need and gets a seal of approval
Tervic2008-09-24 17:34:42
QUOTE(Furien @ Sep 22 2008, 08:55 PM) 561000
Remove wind and offbalancers from monks. They attack too fast for it to be reasonable. Change the BC version of it to a type of attack that isn't a strike- that way they won't be able to use it 100%, and there'll be a chance they hit the chest/head/etc. instead.
It -will- be slightly fairer. Nihilists require setup for their balance lock. Affliction classes have a hard time 'setting up' in group target, because most targets are moving around too quickly or just die too fast. BCs can just spam roomwide ecto and strike away. Consider that the cost of ectoplasm was (Is?) supposed to rise for it to be used roomwide, too.
It -will- be slightly fairer. Nihilists require setup for their balance lock. Affliction classes have a hard time 'setting up' in group target, because most targets are moving around too quickly or just die too fast. BCs can just spam roomwide ecto and strike away. Consider that the cost of ectoplasm was (Is?) supposed to rise for it to be used roomwide, too.
Hi, I'm a Celestian, and I don't have ecto.
