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Didnt sound right.

"Why are you capitalizing the pronoun in Obama?"

Either way, I should be heading off the sleep soon. I'll probably think of the perfect words as I am turning off my computer.

Even though Sarah Palin's acceptance speech was much-lauded, her interviews were rather incoherent and weak. ...I don't know. Personally, before the RNC and DNC, I thought that I would be happy with either candidate as president. After the Republicans' VP pick, however....

Her acceptance speech was horrible and filled with tons of inaccuracies (some people would go far as to say LIES) but hey, she's a woman, and "something new"! Its not like new facts are going to get people to change their minds, so whatever - its all good. All I know is there is no way in hell the republicans are going to win come November, I have too much faith in this country for that to happen.

couldn't watch the debate, and I thought maybe this thread would discuss the actual debate a bit... oh well..


Also, whomever posted before, in the army, Tactical and Strategy are two VERY DIFFERENT things. If you don't know that, I must laugh at you.

Tactical, is what people do during a war, on a day to day basis. Entering the building, shooting the person, jumping over the trench etc. What soldiers on the ground do.

Strategic, is what the generals do about the war in general. Take over city X, ignore city Y. Cut off supply line X.

You can have a great strategy but still lose the war because of tactics.
You can have great tactics, but still lose the war because of strategy.

hmm, anyone have a link to the debate with one of those running poles, about how people are responding to the debate as it happens? I love those things.

lol wut? You're the first person I heard who wasn't impressed by her speech, even the brainwashed liberals thought it was decent.

Also, To coment to someone earlier about campaign promises...

George W Bush, has actually pushed for (if not neceissarily got passed) all of his campaign promises. Actually he did this to the point of losing complete popularity amongst every group in the country.

After watching the debate, I think that McCain won to everyone who feels that the state republican approach is better but is unhappy with the way the republicans have done things, and Obama won for anyone who hates all republicans.

The debate to me really didn't push me one direction or another, so I voted Tie.

edit:

On the issue of the economy, I think McCain won that section of the debate. (I'm biased because I don't agree with Obama's economic plan at all, and I think McCain showed the holes/deceptions with it)

On the issue of Iraq, I think McCain showed his mastery on the issue, however Obama showed that he is just as principled on issues of foreign policy, as McCain is principled on Financial issues.

On Iran, I think they tied, because they really both seem to agree with each other, despite them trying to say there were differences. When it comes down to it, they will do the same thing.

On Energy, I also think they tied because again, the hold the same position.

I didn't watch the debate, but I know for a fact that i will vote for obama unless I see him try to blow up a building. Mccain, while maybe a good man, would make a horrible president at the moment. Tax cuts are NOT what the rich need. Obama may not be the most experienced, I will admit, but if Palin went into power, i'd move to canada, I kid you not.

Obama can't say when he's not behind a teleprompter. He's full of ummms, and uhhhs, and stumbling when put in an off the cuff situation.

Now, I want somebody to name what Obama has accomplished besides voting present.

Palin has been a ruthless attack dog against corruption in the Republican party. The governor she replaced in Alaska was corrupt, and it was because of her that he didn't even make it to the general elections. She holds an average 85% approval rating in Alaska.

This is why I think she's a better figure for women than Hillary could even dream of being. She manages to raise a family AND advance in her career. She also has what I feel is a more classy demeanor about her, while having the strength to raise a family, be in the spotlight, and deal with family problems, including her disabled son. Hillary was merely a repugnant and inflamatory

Personally, my faith in both parties has been diminished, and anybody who puts EITHER party on a pedestal is fooling themselves. I feel that the Republican congress could have done better than they did, but the Democratic congress hasn't done any better. Hell, they have an even lower approval rating than W.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are both corrupt and need to be replaced. The only reason Pelosi gives a about alternative energy is her investment in natural gas. But I guess that's what we expect from politicians.

I will never vote for anybody who has ever considered the likes of William Ayers as a friend or even associate. I would also like to point out how hypocritical it is of Obama to claim that he is Christian, and then publicly mock the bible. Whether you believe in God or not, that is hypocrisy. Another thing about Obama that disgusts me was his recent trip to Iraq where he actually requested that the leaders of Iraq wait until AFTER THE ELECTIONS to sign any sort of troop withdrawal agreement. That is irresponsible and a violation of the Logan Act. Everybody who was present at that meeting has confirmed that Obama did this.

A published timeline for withdrawal WOULD be stupid. No doubt about it. The radical muslims are insidious enough to go into hiding and wait for us to leave, and then flood the area again, if we tell them that we are withdrawing at X date.

Obama's position on energy is laughable as well. I followed the energy crisis all summer, and he changed his position multiple times. From drilling is wrong, to some drilling is okay, to 'inflate your tires and get a tune up(The most laughable of all)', to opening the strategic reserve, to allowing drilling, and back to drilling is wrong. He has also opposed nuclear and coal power unless it was politcally inconvenient at the time.

And yes, his statements such about bitter, gun-clinging Americans shouldn't be dismissed. That wouldn't have 'slipped out' if he didn't have some sort of feelings inline with that statement. It basically says that 'People who don't agree with me are bitter, uninformed, and the tone suggests that he feels those people are 'less worthy' or something like unto that.



Now, do not get me wrong. I'm not in love with John McCain. I did not vote for him in the primaries. I think he has resorted to some dirty political tactics and hypocrisy, especially during the primaries(Where he attacked Romney for launching negative ads, but has had no problem launching them himself). However, I will gladly take McCain over Obama. You can argue against the lesser of two evils as being a cliche all you want, but it doesn't change the fact i'd rather have a punch to the face than a shot in the face.

And for a brief summary of why we're in the economic crisis we are right now:

1977, Congress passes the Community Reinvestment Act
1995, Congress ammends it, reinforcing certain parts, the biggest one being that lenders have to give X percentage of loans to low income(read high risk) borrowers, so that everybody can 'live the american dream and own their own home, regardless of whether or not they can afford it.' Because renting until you have a stable enough situation to take out a loan isn't good enough, or common sense, I guess.
2003, Bush Administration starts warning that if we don't change that regulation, and keep a better eye on FMAE and FMAC, the :censor: will hit the fan. Democrats and some Republicans in Congress laugh it off and refuse to pass his proposed solution.
2005 McCain warns us that unless we hurry and rectify the situation, there will be a mortgage crisis and we WILL be bailing out Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae.
2006/7 Mortgage crisis
2008 Freddie Mac, Fanny Mae, AIG, Merril Lynch, Lehman Brothers, and Wamu fail. The :censor: hits the fan.
9/25/08 Bill Clinton goes on the record, saying that the Democrats were wrong to oppose the attempts by Republicans to rectify that situation
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/20...clinton-do.html

Cutting taxes in Ireland to 11% (In America it's currently 35%) has made their economy skyrocket.

Why do you think that raising their taxes to 46% is going to help America's economy?

@stangmar: Did you watch the debate at all? it sounds like your post wasn't in response at all to the debate.

This.


Also...

Ever hear the story about the two economists?

Within the economics departments at certain universities, there is a famous but probably apocryphal story about two world-class economists who run into each other at the voting booth.

"What are you doing here?" one asks.

"My wife made me come," the other says.

The first economist gives a confirming nod. "The same."

After a mutually sheepish moment, one of them hatches a plan: "If you promise never to tell anyone you saw me here, I'll never tell anyone I saw you." They shake hands, finish their polling business and scurry off.

Why would an economist be embarrassed to be seen at the voting booth? Because voting exacts a cost - in time, effort, lost productivity - with no discernible payoff except perhaps some vague sense of having done your "civic duty." As the economist Patricia Funk wrote in a recent paper, "A rational individual should abstain from voting."


Taken from this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/06/magazine...nomics&_r=2

Which is in turn an excerpt from Freakonomics.

One thing I can not stand is this class warfare the left tries to push. Contrary to what the media wants you to believe, the rich are not inherently evil. While I do think we should always watch out for unethical practices among the wealthy and by corporations, labeling Rich = Bad is not the solution to our problems. There are those who honestly have worked their way to success, and should be allowed to enjoy it. Remember, the country was founded on the principles of equal opportunity, not necessarily equal results. Now, despite my capitalist views, I actually do think we could actually benefit from allowing education to be free. But that's where I draw the line. Private entities have shown us time and time again that charity is more effective when NOT handled by the government. I would also go for allowing all of your earnings to be taxed, but at a fair rate. Having a higher rate because you're rich and have done something with your life shouldn't be met with higher tax rates.

My ideal solution for taxation?
Remove the protection on income over 100k or 250k, but do not increase the rate for being over 100k or 250k. IE, allow them to be taxed at their normal rate that they pay now, but allow it to tax their entire income.
Do not tax wealth(accumulated income, and usually retroactive).
Lower corporate taxes, but raise the minimum wage to a reasonable living wage(except for primarily teenage jobs).
Implement a system to encourage private donations and private charity. When charity is compulsory it plants the seeds of contempt and hatred. When charity is performed via choice, it creates brotherhood and compassion, and I think it give the welfare people a better image, and encourage people to help them.

Also someone mentioned Ethanol somewhere earlier.

Ethanol is a net energy loss. More energy goes into production of ethanol then is returned from burning it. However their are plenty of other valid alternative fuel sources.

but but but ethanol is renewable, and that's reaaaaaaaaaal nice.

Lol

I wonder if we could use humans as power, that seems pretty renewable.

I want a car powered by hamsters in their wheels, dammit! HAMSTERWHEEL POWERED CARS!

This thread just makes me rage so hard.

George Bush can be criticized for many things, but the man has principles and he stands for them. You always know exactly where he stands, even if you might disagree with him.

@Balizar: I've met a lot of people that think that because they support Obama, they are of a superior intellect. All of us gun toting hillbillies like Palin, obviously, because she's from the country and can moose-hunt and that appeals to us. We can't look beyond the superficial cause we're just country bumpkins, and that gives you the right to talk down to us. The fact is, Obama is the popular choice. He's the new, fresh face. I doesn't mean he's any more or less credible, but don't criticize me for having my opinions that just happen to be different from the norm (or different from yours.) If you are so gung-ho about Obama, you should know that he mentions diversity and bridging the gap between parties quite often when he speaks.

also: Sorry about Obama and Him. Not a big deal, I've just been doing Fain stuff all day :/