I meant biologically, like... Matrix style.

The electoral college isn't all bad. It does have a lot of flaws, but there are quite a few reasons why we can't go to a straight popular vote.

Here's a wikipedia article section that discusses the pros and cons of the electoral college:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...ectoral_College

Oh you silly heads. Haven't you realized yet that by voting for McCain, you're dooming the country, and by voting for Obama, you're dooming the country?

McCain will increase troops in the Middle East, and we'll be in worse debt from war.

Obama will raise taxation, and more people will become poor, causing the class divide to increase and we'll be worse in debt.

McCain breeds hostility. Obama breeds naivety.

It's a double-edged sword. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm only voting for Obama at this point because he's not going to take away abortion rights. That's all.

I find myself in agreement with Celina......

Bush is not a bad person, contrary to popular belief. He definitely has thick skin and balls of steel. He wants to do what is right, not what is the fad of the month.

Stangmar, please explain the .GIF in your signature to me.

Sorry, but, if someone's telling people "You can practice any religion I'm okay with!", then I'm not going to like that person very much. He might have pure intentions, but his thick skin and "balls of steel" don't make up for close-mindedness and a lack of understanding.

No one said he was perfect, and he certainly pushes the seperation of church and state barrier a bit too hard, but as I said...you always know where he stands. There's a lot to be said for a President who campaigns for something, get elected because of it...and sticks to it for his entire presidency.

Do you think I think it really matters that she's from a rural background? I'm from a small town in Arizona and I'm still a democrat and I still plan on voting for Obama. You want to know why? McCain and Palin are both total phonies - I know it might take some intuition and basic reasoning skills to see this, but hey, I'm an optimist. Biden & Obama are both very truthful, mature, genuine people for politicians - it takes some intellectual highground to concede points like Obama did yesterday, or how Biden said in an interview, he won't belittle Palin's experience just because he's been to places and worked for the government in foreign affairs that does not automatically make him right. McCain would not even LOOK at Obama during the debate. Do you really think Palin will do much better? I have no problems with Biden taking up the presidency if something happens to Obama. I do have an issue with Palin taking up the presidency. She has no foreign policy experience, has been accused of corruption and abuse of power in her own state, and made several false claims in her own acceptance speech - not to mention she seems to make a fool of herself every interview she does. The republicans are just so transparent this time around the majority of the american people will just not tolerate it for another four more years. There is no way.

Oh, and all you non-voters can my you

Someone didn't fact check.

You do know that no president is going to take away abortion rights? Correct?

Yes, but McCain is for taking away abortion rights. The thought makes me shudder. Woman's body, rape, all that jazz.

Is it still a commendable thing when over half the country and parts of your own party are saying they are unhappy with your actions and decisions?

Cant wait for W., seems awesome

They supported those decisions when he was running for president though. I think they just assumed he wouldn't actually follow through with them. heh.

Also, don't conflait new issues, such at 9/11, Iraq/Afganastan war, Katrina etc, with his campaign promises, such as immigration reform, tax cuts, "compasionate conservative" economic policy etc.

I want someone who's campaigns first and foremost for my rights as a US citizen, and who can follow the constitution at least to a degree.

You do know the difference between promoting a religion and restricting the free worship right?

Maybe I'm just ignorant on the subject, but I havn't seen Congress make any laws respecting the establishment of a religion or the free practice of it.

Obama is the most well manacured politician I have ever seen. There is a certain irony when someone calls him genuine. He is the definition of "politician," and he will say whatever it takes to get votes, and he's damn good at it. That doesn't make him genuine. Nor is Biden stating that he won't attack Palin any sort of accomplishment. Obama disowned his church when videos of his pastor got out and people were going "Uh, wtf?" It might be easy to believe Obama is the good, clean, and honest man he tries to promote himself as. He is, at the end of the day, a politician, and don't fool yourself into thinking Palin is the only one that has skewed information in her speaches. The Presidency isn't about speaches and who puts on a better public face. The President isn't the British royal family. They aren't figureheads. I will vote for the ticket that will do, and I have little doubt McCain and Palin will do exactly what they say they will do. I believe Obama will brush the dirt under the rug and put on a good face, and the American people will love him for it.

Is Palin the best at interviews? Uh, no. She's not. Not at all. I like that about her. As I said, she hasn't spent years being molded into a politician. She says things that startle people because the people are used to hearing whatever will put them at ease and make them comfortable. The American Presidency and Vice Presidency shouldn't be decided on who had the best interview with Katie Couric. I know, crazy thought.

I'm sorry, if you want this to degenerate into a "McCain wouldn't look at Obama, he's so unfit for the Presidency" then there's no point in discussing. It's been fairly publicized that the man can't move his arms/neck all that much.

edit: @myrkr: What Dag said and...We all knew what we were getting into with Bush. We all knew that his decisions were going to be influenced by his faith. Don't condemn the man for what he believes and not backing down when people flip out like they didn't know it when he was elected. Yes, he's been vocal at times about his beliefs, but he's never tried to push ihis faith into law. You are still free to practice witchcraft if you want to. Does the President like it? Apparently not. Will he do anything about it? No.

Says things that startle people? Startle people into realizing how DUMB she is. Nevermind, I don't to get into a political arguement with Celina. I want to keep some of my brain cells.

Anyway, McCain/Palin supporters - good luck with that. (lol)

I don't think Palin is dumb at all. Seems a rather unfair accusation. She's a bit out of her element, but like Celina said, that's not always a bad thing.

McCain, though. Hoo, boy. Bottom 1% of his class. Fifth from last. I'm willing to bet Krin has a better class rank.

I generally don't debate politics because, like religion, it's a subject that people just don't change their minds on. I have, however, never taken the stance that "you are stupid if you vote for so and so" or devolve into attacking the person directly. I'm a lot of things...but at least I am open minded and understanding that people are going to appreciate and feel drawn to different candidates for different reasons, and it doesn't make them raging morons. I'm not you. I don't know what principles you were raised with, or what beliefs factor into your personal opinions. The point is you are allowed to think differently from me, and attacking me directly because you disagree doesn't prove anything. It simply creates a bigger divide.

Palin is, by no stretch of the imagination, "dumb." intelligence and political savvy don't always go hand in hand.