Yeah. And everyone knows the moon is flat, because if you look at it, it's a FLAT DISC. Therefore, the moon is flat, and there is no photographical or visual evidence that can prove otherwise.

You're getting my example all wrong. It'd be more like if we built the moon, looked up at it, and said 'Well, no one is going to be able if it's round or not, we'll do it later.'

My argument still stands. There is no photographical or otherwise visual evidence that can prove the Moon is round.

Aside from the one where you can't see the edges at moonrise or moonset?

Aren't moon-phases evidence enough of the roundness of the moon, since if it was a disc it would be impossible to achieve phases.

Nope. You can claim that the Moon changes color regularly in such a way that gives the appearence of phases.

It's quite simple to prove that the Earth and the Moon are flat, really. When Earth, for example, is drawn as a map, continents must appear "stretched," as the array of continents on the map are larger than the flat surface itself. This is explained by the continents "scrolling" across this circular or disc-like surface in a marquee fashion, in the same way that a camera must pan across a long scene or a large computer graphic must scroll across due to the limited size of the user's monitor.

Not only that - but one of the most famous images of space ever - the Blue Marble picture - proves that the Earth is flat. You can clearly, perfectly see that the Earth is flat. Does it look "round" to you? No.



The same - obvious - flatness can be seen with the Moon. It is perfectly flat and there is no physical or photographical evidence that states or implies otherwise.



Both of these pictures indeed prove that both the Earth and Moon are flat, and therefore any misconception of a "round" earth is simply propaganda spread by foolish atheists and Nazis.

Except for that bit where the Earth casts a round shadow on the moon no matter where the moon is during the eclipse?

See above.

Anyone who actually argues seriously with Allison about this automatically loses.

P.S. Xavius, your avatar needs something about the tendency to "loose" things, other than hounds and pigeons. I saw that one in a newspaper today.

Yeah, I'm not being serious. Hell, the first part of that "argument" is copied from Uncyclopedia.

This is a perfectly valid intepratation of Lusternia's cosmology if you throw out the histories as a valid source:

I like Father Sun's evil grin.

That should totally win the Artisanal contest.

Sun's a dick.

Alright, I am reading through the Illith narratives and have trouble understanding the connect between some parts.

So, Illith is the greatest of the Souless, even stronger than Kethuru (at one point). In devouring the First World, Keph cut Illith in two halves. One half is contained by Keph's (psionic?) web. The second half fought by Lady Tzaraziko (who pops out an eye in the process), then trapping Illith in the Ocean.

So... the sentient half (containing the mind and heart of darkness) splinter into the illithoid following Keph splintering into kephera.

The other half becomes the Hidden Empress, who is hidden deep below the ocean. SO... my questions are about the Empress of Ice and shadow.

• Where is the Northern Ocean?
• What form does she take?
• How powerful is she? I mean, she's half of Illith, and equals the entire illithoid race, right?

Northern Ocean is in the North.

She takes the form of half a soulless.

Pretty powerful.

So, Illith splits. One half becomes illithoid and begets ninjakari. The other half fights Lady T. She grabs Illith's eye. Lady T. Befriends G. Scorp and brings lucidian and dracnari to her. This begets nekotai. The first sunwalking illithoid meet G. Scorpio and bring nekotai back to the UV. Second sunwalking illithoid bring nekotai and ninjakari to Glom/Mag respectively.

So... the Eye of Illith infuses with Lady T who is linked to the prehistory of the nekotai. In an odd sense, the ninjakari & nekotai represent the two halves of Illith in this bizarre game of 7 degrees of separation.

EDIT: ack, my flowchart collapses to the margin. Sorry!

EDIT: I did a screenshot of my flowchart and added as a pic.

That's assuming the water stays mostly like a flat surface that you can walk on. Walking on a tsunami, however, is probably much more difficult. After all, Aquamancer waves still knock you flat on your face even if you're waterwalking.

So you have to pass periodic Balance and Tumble checks or drown? (Because nobody has the skill in environment to tread water. Like, at all.)