Just ignore Krin, honestly.

Anyway, the "using your chants on other people" has been rejected twice directly and once indirectly by Estarra now, so we should probably find something else.

@Sojiro: I didn't really expect krin to read it, so I didn't say anything before, but you DO realize I specifically mentioned not making Chuuti part of that suggestion?

^ Huh huh?

I have a harmony shofangi Tri-trans. you say we have a single skill none of you will ever even compair with, but thats just stupid if I know what your getting at because every monk has Hyperactive which is basicly the same thing but a bit less time. Sorry if I lol at your generalization. Reasons why Harmony is perfectly fine, well 1. Ooshuti, 2. lummun 3 Akhooshlumang = no contemplate kills. 4 0oshmun = worthless stealth skillset. 5. Chuuti = workless monk offense. yes you can only completly shut down 1 enemy skillset at a time. Yes it may seem a bit "boring" but that doesn't mean it isn't retardo strong.

Going to take Shiri's advice and pretty much ignore this, but I feel I should point out one thing which is horribly wrong.

No, not every monk has Hyperactive. Some chose a more interesting skillset(Psymet) over the comparatively bland jumping around and whatnot. Stealth monks, however, don't have to make the choice between ultimate pvp minmaxing and the nice flavor of Psymet, they get to activate uber-testosterone mode regardless.

Just because you don't choose to take a skillset doesn't mean the option isn't there. You can take Shiri's way because she never comments on something she knows nothing about See the throwing thread 1 rank down. I'm sorry if you think your skill lacks flavor and are mad because stealth monks get repeat skills But you don't see healing celestines crying because they can't tarot Aeon.

@Krin: The special report for harmony has been granted. If you don't have anything productive to add to this thread, then I'd most politely ask you to GTFO. Your opinion on whether or not harmony is fine is... simply said.. screwed.



Something like this was suggested and subjequently rejected.



See above. Summary: Was tried, was rejected.

Well, frankly, I don't know what else to say. If they don't want to rewrite the whole thing, then the only answer to make the skillset interesting is to expand the skill medium.

If they just flat out won't do that either, then what they're saying is that a special report will consist of a useless band-aid at best, and I can't really say I can get too excited over that.

Just for the record, the change comprised six new skills (AncestralCall, SpiritGuard, AncientCurse, AncientFeud, AncestralFealty, and CairnLargo), almost of all of which replaced old skills now removed (such as AlbionAria, WhiteHorn, and HartDream). There was also a few very minor changes to two other skills (AncestralWatch and NatureRhythm). It's true that all six of those skills depend on the first one, but they are separate skills and take separate stanzas in a song (and thus can't be used in combination with other song effects that would also be in those stanzas).

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Lol, go go choke squads of death.

Correct, but it's the best we'll likely ever get. Even a half-assed band-aid fix is better at this time than doing nothing (yeah I'm just that desperate). The skill most likely won't become awesome but honestly, I'm taking -anything- at this time. It's not like I can see it getting any worse.




Fair enough. It just looked like one skill with various things you could do with it when I glanced at the skill list. It's not like there -isn't- plenty that could be utterly removed in harmony and switched with other stuff.

Would all of you stop harping on rush? It's getting a bit ridiculous. As it's been said, you all have access to hyperactive (which is actually substantially longer than rush) if you want it and the "boohoo, acro is boring, it's not fair" argument doesn't fool me. Every guild has tertiaries that are stronger and more PVP oriented than others. Necro/Sacraments > tracking. Hexes > healing. Tarot > astrology. Stop trying to make harmony monks into some persecuted victim because some choose psymet.

Is rush powerful? Absolutely. Does harmony have anything comparable? No, not really. You do, however, have a very, very solid defensive skillset. If you really want buffs (which you could use, albiet minor) you really shouldn't try to be more like Spirisingers.

Harmony's theme? Powerful defensive capabilities.

Besides Chuuti, which is nowhere near as powerful as some of you seem to make out, and increased regeneration, how does Harmony have powerful defensive capabilities? Remember, you can't use all your skills at the same time.

Probably the prismatic and insta-super tumble that she means which means we can't have anything else that useful in.

Saying "oh my gosh, you could just take acro instead of psymet" is not only besides the point, it's utterly misleading.

A stealth user doesn't face as steep a cost for taking psymet, simply because they are ensured "hyper-lite". Harmony users are not only saddled with a comparatively crap secondary, but also face steeper opportunity costs in choosing psymet than a stealth user does.

Just ignore any complaining from stealth users who want their class to be strictly better, I think it's obvious that something is needed here.

That something needs to be an unexplored use that can be done in relatively few abilities.

Harmony needs to be made less restrictive - I liked Aesyra's earlier suggestion of just making it so some abilities remain on the whole 'use 3, get a extra bonus' system, while a good portion (majority?) just be made into normal abilities. Perhaps have some of the normal abilities be made better/worse depending on what your three chants are, so it keeps its current theme without it being quite as restrictive.

That said, if Harmony is made less restrictive, then some abilities need a very solid downgrade. Things like insta-tumble, Chuuti, and 1p prismatic need to be toned down.

There's a thought. Make the vast majority of Harmony's abilities regular defenses, with more powerful ones like Chuuti being active defenses, and depending on which you pick(Maybe reduce the number you can use to two?), you modify the regular defenses in positive and possibly somewhat negative ways.

Keeping Chuuti up negates anti-fear and increases mana/ego regen..

Preparing for ye olde insta-tumble would decrease health regen..

I dunno. Stuff like that.