Should the cost of ascending a demigod at a nexus be dropped to 500-600k instead of 1 million to recognize that they are already close to "godhood" and recognize all the work they put in to reach demi in the first place? Thus making it worth them to be ascended...

Discuss!!

Agreed. This discussion has been held a few times, I think.

I mentioned it in the Ascendants rant that my idea would be the closer you get to level 101 (Ascendant) the less power you need, perhaps above level 90 or 95. So for example, anybody under level 90/95 would pay 1 mil power, then at level 91, it would be 950,000 power. Then at 92, 900,000 power.

93: 850,000
94: 800,000
95: 750,000
96: 700,000
97, 650,000
98, 600,000
99: 550,000
100: 500,000

Heh i did think about that idea myself but i don't think they would go for it, i do think making it so that you have to be at least level 80 to be ascended would be good. Something or other about how you aren't strong enough to survive the process before that level could be said...

Any specific thing that means people are going to be forced to get high levels like that to cut down the power cost (at which point they may as well just bash for demi) is probably bad. Keep in mind that there's a specific problem to be addressed here: demigods have no realistic chance at the coolness involved in the name of "ascendant" because there's no advantage to raising them from the org's perspective when they can do all the same things as an ascendant, since they can just raise a mortal to help instead.

There also doesn't need to be a level 80 limiter for any reason, that doesn't fix any problems and no one lower than L80 is going to be selected anyway.

I understand on the level 80 front but would still be nice to have some restriction put in so that trigger happy leaders can't just ascend lowbies. But as far as Demi-Ascendent goes half the power cost to raise them! That way it doesnt always mean you will raise a demi it just makes it worthwhile in some situations...

If all six leaders, who are mechanically required to give consent, want to raise a lowbie ascendant for some reason, let them.

Wrt to the other thing, I was referring mainly to Arin, who was trying to scale it starting at level 93.

While I agree less power requirements is a good incentive to raise a demi to vernal (without touching the difference between demigod and ascendant that is). That table really does not go over well to me. First of all I think the jumpings go to fast. at level 93? You are only half way to demigod I believe. And titan takes a lot longer then level 98.

Only half power at demigod? Why raise a level 80 at all if you can raise 2 demis. It would probably have to be in the lines of 800k power for a demi and no reduction for the rest.

It would entirely be better to not touch power at all of course and find a way to make ascendant worth it even for a demi. (like beefing up the ascendant skillset, perhaps looking at making cults more usefull, ..)

I highly doubt people would raise a demi at 800k.

In fact I actually doubt they would raise two demis for 500k each under most circumstances. It still takes a long time to get that much power, and ascendant is just not that much value added compared to a new demi+ fighter from your mortal regiment.

I can't understand all this fussing really. All it would take for this to not be a problem is for a city leader to say, "We won't discriminate ascension based on whether or not someone is a demigod already." Honestly, there will be a saturation point when "one more domoth participant" won't actually make that much of a difference. Ahhh, I just don't get it at all. You all complain that it's an issue but it just doesn't have to be! Everyone can participate in Stage Two, no-one can participate in Stage Three, so all you're talking about is Stage One! It seems ridiculous that such a kafuffle has been thrown up by this.

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Actually, the easy way to fix this is to give a demigod Ascendant some sort of incentive that non-demigod ascendants cannot have... like some skill or some alternate advantage in domoths/cults/whatever. This makes it so you have the option of "Hmm... demigod for the useful ability or non-demi for (reasons we already know)". Just my 2 drachma

Ok. But let us know when that happens. Also when the other people making the decisions (could be the entire community, but technically just the other GMs) agree with it.


Pretty sure there won't. At least, not any time soon.

@ people trying to make demigods better than ascendants in some way, instead of letting demigods be ascendants, for whatever reason: I just realised there is ONE area in which that wouldn't be obnoxious for ascendants: bashing bonuses of some kind. I doubt they'd go for that though. And really, making demigods open for a selection is the better idea overall.

If it was 600k power to raise a Demi then it wouldn't mean only Demi's get raised it would just mean that people would consider them more of an option. If you have someone better that is a lot lower level then you would still raise them, but if the demigod is a better option and has already -proved- that they do well in domoths but are hindered by not being an ascendant then you could raise them without missing out as you wouldn't be as far away from raising another one!

This will never happen. Also, Ascendants give the advantage of having another person to hold onto two Domoths, with a much faster claiming time then demigods. To me, that is the biggest advantage Ascendants have over demigods. The advantage of raising a mortal over a demigod doesn't stop at Domoths, either. Raise a mortal, you get another demigod to fight in any situation, with increased statistics and etc plus Ascendance. Raise a demigod, you get... Ascendance and a higher starting point for learning it. As if that is a huge advantage (Xenthos, anyone?).

@Revan: I honestly think Ascendants are fine. All orgs have access to their powers, which aren't even overly strong (120mil for omniscience anyone?). It's the fact that demigods are many times worse than an ascendant when claiming, and that it is also because of the fact that they are demigods, they cannot be raised.

@Arin: No. The issue isn't high levelled people won't get considered. The issue is demigods won't get considered.

I don't understand why demigods and ascendants are any different.

Another possible solution would be to provide demigods another means of ascending. They do have the (annual?) Trials of Ascension, and maybe the admins expected that one person a year that way would not compare that unfavorably with the rate cities and communes can raise people, but now that it turns out it does, maybe that could be rebalanced.

The thing about the current Ascension Trials thing is that it takes a lot of work on the part of the admins. Some of the events, like War, Harmony, and Death, just require some scheduling and a little running the show (I think anyway); the bulk of the work is coded, and events like that could be done four times a year without being very burdensome. Others, like Knowledge, Nature, and Beauty, make great demands on their time, effort, and creativity. Those could not be done more often; it's demanding far too much.

Maybe in addition the annual Ascension Trials, there could be a slightly smaller, much easier to run set of trials in April, July, and October, so the whole thing happens four times a year, with one of them being bigger than the others. The smaller ones could focus only on things that are easily run because they're coded; that's narrower than the once-a-year one, but still broader than the Vernal competition. Or it could be expanded with other things that are little or no extra work for the admins: for instance, if you earn points by winning War competitions, maybe you can also earn points by winning an artisanal or prestige (since those are already being judged anyway), and the nine people with the highest number of points overall will get to enter the final fight.

The winners in this would not get Medallions or credits or any other prize. Save that for the annual Trials. All they would get is: if a non-titan, made a titan; if a titan, made a demigod; if a demigod, made an ascendant. Runners-up receive a lifetime supply of Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco Treat, and a lovely copy of our home game.

Or... it would just be so much easier to lower the cost for raising demigods slightly.

NO.

ASCENDENTS WERE A BAD IDEA ANYWAYS.

WE DO NOT NEED CHEAPER/MORE ASCENDENTS.


Thank you.

What he said.

I wonder if I could convince my character's org to let her be an Ascendant if she donates a million power? It should only take like... three RL years?