I'm totally aware I speak pretty oddly.

Unvote: Celina

My vote had been a prod-vote.

Who is our protector that we don't have anymore??

Not sure, we lost a roleblocker and someone who can ressurect.

Maybe a misunderstanding?

anyone else want to preaasure furien?

Perhaps only because he knows he was over the top a bit.

I still say we pressure Shiri. His "I'm not mafia, I'm not SK" claim was sort of vanilla for me. Anyone who is one of those roles, can say the same thing.

Except I wasn't. It was Krin's claim and your own bad aggro that got you in this mess, don't try and pin it on me.

Unvote: Celina for posting though she's incorrect that we lost the "protector" - we may still have a doctor somewhere in there.


Firstly that's not what vanilla means. Secondly...well, obviously. Are YOU claiming you're not mafia or SK? Well, anyone can say that! Thirdly, I said I wasn't a -vig- in response to Daganev's wondering if I tried to off Krin, which is more useful.

Vote: Furien 'cause he's still not added content.

Shiri's playing style has always been hyper-aggressive and controlling, regardless of his role (I say this as having been the far-superior evil U.S. to his U.K. in the Cold War Mafia), so it makes it hard to determine whether he really is innocent or not just based on his post style.

@Myrkr- Careful what you say, seriously. (This is overdo by like a day and a half, admittedly, but it came to me just now) We've got heroes from all sorts of Marvel series, so Rika has likely taken the most famous from each of them, which could limit a person's possibilities to maybe 3 or so people, whose powers can be speculated from there. I think. We haven't seen too many roles and I'm not a Marvel expert, just something to keep in mind.

@Daganav- If you want people to pressure me, open up a convincing case. Lurkiness only goes so far.

@Shaddus- Nobody here is going to be vanilla. We're all superheroes (or villains), after all.

I'm on the fence as far as pressuring Shiri is concerned. I'm relatively used to his playing style so it doesn't bother me and I think we have bigger fish to fry (if he's really that much of a problem, investigate him, Cop!) and voting for him feels too much like I'm OMGUS-ing.

I can't say I have any real problems with the way Shiri makes his posts or whatnot. Granted, he is aggressive and blunt, but each time he can bring up a reason behind his actions and his train of thought. Just as I cannot find fault with Celina for not being very active due to work and having a life. I give her props for not just going and role-claiming, which probably was the reason Krin was taken out on night one.

Sorry, I seem to have misspoken. When I said vanilla, I didn't mean in the mafia sense, as in, not having any skills or roles. I meant as in, a generic statement. Something anyone can say.

I think the main reason Krin was taken out on Night 1 is his Galactus link, since there's probably one of those paired seek-and-kill/disable things going on with the two. Still, while I understand about having a life outside of the forums, Celina's reasoning for not claiming doesn't really cut it for me - it could work either way. Let's see.

First, let's take a look at Daganev's view on her total withholding of information, i.e. "you not claiming can only help the scum," with the implication that it makes her role sound too important to the town to reveal on a vote bandwagon based on lurkiness and lack of prior contribution. Makes sense; if you review what we know at the moment, our only confirmed townie is Shaddus, who is a mason with lynch (and nightkill?) avoidance. Not exactly a prime target for scum, though I'm working on the assumption that Celina is actually following the game (a little iffy, since we thankfully did not lose our doctor).

Now, the other side of the coin. While it does send signals to the scum about the importance of her role, it leaves them in the dark about what it really is.. but us along with them. What they gain is another priority target, since the factor of the unknown doesn't change. What the town gains is nothing at all. We don't know if we can trust her even as a townie, only that "we don't want her to claim." There is also absolutely no mention about whether she wins with the town, or anything along those lines that would confirm/incriminate her overall alignment, should we have a truthseeker this game. The only concession to this is the following:



..and even that is a general implication. No "I am town and I win with the Avengers, but I have no interest in claiming my role at this time solely because of a bandwagon based on my lurkiness, since I actually have a life," which would probably not give away anything crucial or not already known to scum. Instead, we get "I have a life, I bought some books, Shiri is suspiciously aggressive, and oh, by the way, I'm not claiming because you know you don't want me to."

tl;dr version: Working on the premise that she's town, refusing to claim seems understandable, if iffy because it cues the mafia to place her on their possible-threat hitlist. Working on the scum premise, it suddenly looks like a great strategy, since town gets absolutely no info and she get off the lynchhook.

I'm not trying to press for a roleclaim at this point, regardless, and maybe I overanalysed things, but it looks to me like she got off much too easily. Is anyone else getting the same vibes, or am I just being overly suspicious? Thoughts?

If she doesn't die tonight, we'll know.

It's just Celina playing the 'we're all out to get her' card. She does it everytime she gets more than a couple of votes

In which case ... the mafia don't target her tonight so we lynch her tomorrow?

Exactly.

Unless she is mafia and has a dodge-thingy... in which case, she lives...

nobody is saying anything particularly scummy yet.

while the idea of lynching celina tommorow if she doesn't die tonight makes sense, it also just gives the mafia a chance to kill someone else, and let us kill her tomorow for them, and then we are on day 3 with no new information.

Anyone have any ideas on how to move forward?

Have to agree with Daganev, here. Celina situation is iffy.

No idea. Come on, someone, be suspicious so I can nightkill someone tonight.

No, I mean it slightly differently.

Hypothetical situation: Celina is town. We agree, today, to lynch her tomorrow if she doesn't die tonight. We lynch someone else. The mafia, knowing our plans, target someone other than Celina. Celina doesn't die, and so we lynch her the next day.

Not being nightkilled is not proof of guilt.