Yes, getting rid of one mafia on day one would be great ... and if we are incorrect, it is instantly night and the mafia takes out another townie. Then we are down by two (or maybe three if there is an SK). Not a great way for the town to win by being down two or three people on day two.

Perhaps we have a Vigilante?

Yes, and a 0% chance is still worse than, say, a 25% chance from a random lynch. There is no reason to believe that this game is different to any other in terms of what town should do day 1. If anyone has some evidence that isn't the one we hear every other game, let us know.

Is Dugan new? was last game his first game?

meh, I count 15 people posted so far, and 17 should have. Who hasn't posted?

Yes the last game was the first one, which is why I'm not unvoting and voting for him like I would if Silvanus was trying it again.

ahh, Esano and Ilyarian, how many hours until they are supposed to be "Active"?

Several. It's 3:30 AM for Ilyarin (will wake up at like 8, probably) and like 2PM for Esano (so whenever he gets back from school/work.)

I think so, yeah. Either way, no lynch on Day 1 pretty much just means that we have nothing to go by on Day 2, ANd we're down one townie because of the mafia kill. Lynching on Day 1 gives us more to work with with regards to voting patterns and such.

As for Shaddus, I think Shiri makes a more convincing case - you seem to be the one grasping at straws here. I'm not sure whether I should let you off the votehook for now, since we have no idea whether we have a truth-seeker this game, and you could just be taking a gamble with that statement. The pre-emptive claim (skimpy as it is) was something that worked for me the last game, and I was town, but I could definitely see mafia trying that tactic in a game where the existence of the truth-person isn't confirmed.

Hmm. I'll roll with this for the time being, no one else really stands out to me.

Vote: Shaddus

Note: So that I don't sound like a loony, the 'I think so, yeah' in the first line of my previous post was in response to Daganev's question about this being Dugan's second game. I'm slow.

Yes this is my second game. Forgive me for trying to rationalize anything out and impose any type of logic on it.

*scumdar tingaling*
@Silfferas: Do you honestly think that Shaddus is being scummy right now, and not just confused/illogical/incompitent?

lol.

Its fine. However, unless we have a lot of conversation on day one, lynching someone is allways better than not lynching someone.

I could understand if we had 3 or more roleclaims, and then we are at a loss and don't know who to lynch, that MAYBE you would want to vote no lynch. But most of the time, you want concrete information, so you can look at voting patterns and the like.

But what you suggested isn't all that logical really. Cause investigations happen at night, right? So, the only way to get to a night (unless someone has some freaky time skipping ability like in the Heroes game) is to either lynch someone or vote no lynch. If you lynch someone, you've got a chance of hitting a bad guy. Or you could hit a townie instead, which sucks, of course, but you still learn things about how people voted and so on.

I've only played four games myself, and everyone's always stressed how bad an idea it is to vote no lynch because then the town loses out on information and the chance to kill a scum.

Generally investigations are done at night, though they've been known to have other limitations. Example: Chance of finding out, they need to have been killed, they need to have been daykilled, etc.

For reference, this will be the normal time I get back (although there will, of course, be variations. I should be back earlier tomorrow, for example).

The whole Shiri/Shaddus thing ... I don't really know. Shiri was looking at Dylara's attempts to limit information (generally considered a scum move) but retracted when a prior example was given (Rika's UN game). That doesn't sound scummy (for Shiri or Dylara).

Shaddus, however? Iffy. He jumped on it fairly quickly, and then Shiri made a semi-OMGUS vote. However, Shaddus' vote:

Is pretty much accusing Shiri of what he's doing here - trying to get a quick lynch, and end the day quickly. Shiri wasn't "jumping on typing mistakes" - Dylara made a typing mistake which changed the meaning of her statement. When all this was clarified (and Shiri realised which mafia game they were talking about) he retracted his vote.

I'm going to wait for a vote count before I vote though, so FOS: Shaddus. Maybe some more information will come up in the meantime.

As requested, vote count.

Noola 1 Diamondais
Shiri 2 Daganev Shaddus
Doman 1 Silferras
Dugan 2 Doman Celina
Furien 1 Dugan
Silferras 1 Noola
Ilyarin 1 Casilu
Myrkr 1 Furien
Shaddus 4 Shiri Arix Myrkr Silferras

Are we really down a townie? I might have misread either the first post or the comment, but Mr. Fantastic was basically our version of an NPC.

And it's 9 to lynch?

Vote: Shaddus

That is correct.