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I don't know about that, but one of the portions of the influencing part? Yeah, is undead.

Say what you want about the flavor of the thing, but that's just raw mechanical bias for a quest that does what it does. (In regards to this specific quest, not in a general sense)

In other words, all that talk about rewarding morally grey actions? The talk about the RP fairness of it, and how there's no sacrifice on the part of Magnagora? Well, that's moot. Because Celest and Seren couldn't do it if they wanted to, without a crow cloak or a complicit glom/mag.

You don't have to influence the undead to activate the centre, I did it while a Seren with no help. It is the :censor: I got from Lisaera and her order that made it seriously not worth it. Essentially now that you can nolonger draw on the 'I did not know what it did card' they will most likely kick you out of the commune.

So yes impossible for Serens just like for Celestians. And that is why I still advocate for a counterquest to fully disable the centre for X time.

The Admins dubbing it not biased..

The Admins are not infallable, and Anisu's above makes it why it is biased. Thank you, dear Anisu.

Counter quest and enemy status's, plz.

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It's called:

"Do that quest, and you'll get disfavoured by Me, or Order enemied." - Seren Divine POV

"Do that quest, and you'll get communedisfavoured or ostracized." - Moonhart Circle POV

"Do that quest, and you'll get kicked out of the guild." - Any Seren guild POV

Need I go on?

Apparently, Lisaera got angry at Anisu for doing the quest way back. That kind of defeats the whole "anyone can do it" argument.

I think Zia got it worse back then

I should also be noted that I do not mind divine ICly getting angry over such things and all, but then one would hope when the quest gets discussed behind the scenes they will also support the notion that it is currently impossible for a Seren to do this quest.

I missed your response so my reply is belated.

This isn't the administration being inconsistent: it is roleplayed god characters having different view points. These are profoundly different things.

Also just for clarification, Lisaera doesn't enemy for doing the quest. -I- enemied someone for doing it once and she revoked it

I never stated that this is a matter of the administration being inconsistent, I stated that it is a matter of roleplay where we cannot do the quest because we are penalized by the "roleplayed god" and the leads of our Commune. Also, a counter quest isn't that unfeasible and if the fact remains that there are only two organizations doing it (Magnadoring), then that is proof of point that there is some change needed to the quest in general.

I was responding to Anisu. You then appeared to respond on her behalf.

Apparently we are at cross purposes.

I doubt Glomdoring does it, they'd be bitchslapped with the pimp hand if they denied scholars to a certain org.

Glom does it with fair frequency. My shadowdancer has taken advantage of it on more than one occasion.

This is inconsistency. We have some of the admins telling us that we can easily change our RP to fit in with the TBC. On the other hand, here we have one of the admin tell us IC that we shouldn't be doing it (and come on, who is going to go against the word of the Patron?). I'm not blaming Lisaera at all, she is well within her right to believe that it is a stupid thing for Serens to do. The problem lies with the other admins trying to justify it OOC.

@Desitrus: When the Glom in question is Shikha, what can do they?

An RP god is still first and foremost played by an administrator. Claim all you want that RP and admin jobs are seperate, it still stands that they play an untouchable character that can force players and organisations to do things. When such a character is used to bully players from not doing that quest with things that will cost these players credits (one would have to change guilds since admins designed the game to be rogue unfriendly), than this would be the same as an admin writing in Serenwilde's histories that they are not allowed to do the quest. So yes inconsistent.

I think you're both still taking two distinctive hats and creating a fictional superhat monstrosity, but I must resist the allure this forum has for my naturally argumentative nature and contain the urge to open what will surely be a can of worms!

I think, considering 3/4 of the population despise and are affected by this quest heavily, it deserves to be explained why it exists with more than, 'for roleplay reasons'.

Gods are Admin first, and the point of playing a game is to get enjoyment out of it, and this should always be taken into consideration.

edit: forgot Glomdoring.

Being distinctive does not prohibit any overlap. Even if they are truely distinctive, these two hats can be worn at the same time. Even were the Serenwilde to someone find IC justification for using a 'Tainted' Broadcast Center, wouldn't the same or simular arguements or issues remain for the players in Celest?

Or just confess that you're wrong because the playerbase on this thread is at bulk disagreeing with you.