That is only if you don't believe in the concept of a soul. It has everything to do with religion to those who believe the spirit an eternal being placed on Earth by God.

Human reproduction is biological, families however are religious.

Having a legitimate child, or not is a religous /cultural issue, not biological.

The "problem" of unmarried teen pregnancies, is only a "problem" for religious /cultural reasons, not biological ones. If anything the "problem" today is that people are giving birth at such an old age, and not at their reproductive prime!

also, I hate to remind you that pagans are a religion also, and not all religions have a bible or equivalent.

You admit that it doesn't matter to other people, this is a concept you can accept. You are forcing your religious beliefs on others.

I would feel quite sorry for the children left behind because the anti-abortion groups said adoption was the way but their adoption wing refused to allow a child to be adopted into a loving home because that home wasn't christian enough.

Ironically the quote "oh please won't somebody think of the children" comes to mind considering the character that said it.

Families aren't religious. They're a basic part of every society. Even atheists have families.





I agree with this statement.



Yes, Paganism is a religious group as much as any of the Abrahamic ones, thank you for remembering.

If marriage is a religious institution, then so are families.

If Christmas is based off of Yule, then Christianity is Pagan.

If Easter is based off of Ostara, then Christianity is Pagan.

If Santa was created by Norsemen on Fly Agaric, then we should administer Fly Agaric to children every December.

Shall we continue?

I am possibly the most religious person in both sides of my family. Are you telling me now that I'm not allowed to call it a family because we are not religious?

Shall we loose rights due to that now?

A child is considered legitimate by society if the parents are considered married, you do not need to be religious to be married


Cultural reasons again now a days, it may have originally been the case though in the way back they'd probably have covered it up and got married.

What reasons are there for abortion? You can't take care of the child because of study, lack of a father, etc. These are concerns raised due to the state of society not religion.


Oh I am quite aware, however christianity did not absorb enough of pagan culture perhaps if they were a bit more new age they'd be more accepting. hmm, now that's an idea.

No arguments with you there!

Great joy! C'mere, Jonny, c'mere, Sally, it's time to show you the wonders of shrooms!

umm, you don't have to be religous to get married by a church. Plenty non religious people get married and their marriages are recognized by the religions that they leave near.

But the concept of a seperate family is one based on religious ideas, just as marriage is based on religious ideas to form families.

If people are arguing that the state should not be involved in marriages at all, then they also should not be involved in families or adoptions. Thats all. I'm not saying isn't a family just because of what they think inside their head.

huh? What do shrooms have to do with pagan(i.e. religious) origins of holidays which are deemed national holidays by the state?

...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_musca...and_Santa_Claus

http://www.treesforlife.org.uk/forest/myth.../flyagaric.html

http://www.mushroomgeeks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34945

http://employees.csbsju.edu/SSAUPE/essays/santa_mushroom.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A6084218


Edit: I could keep going.

Uugh, now I'm having analogies of polymorphism where society is the superclass and religions are a type of subclass.

That has nothing to do with what you were saying, or what I was saying, or what Nocht was saying, or what Saran was saying... so... what are you trying to say?

You just... argh. Forget it.

I won't respond to your quoting me anymore.

You also don't have to get married by a church, surprisingly there is a system in place that lets people do so without that mess.

In the polymorphic analogy, marriage is just a base function of society religion just inherits and modifies that function.

Based off perhaps, though one could state that the religious idea was based off concepts that existed before written history. If I could be bothered I might go and look up articles to confirm if such tribal societies formed subgroups of families.



People are also arguing that religion should not be able to define it either, if you want marriage to be a purely religious concept then it can not give any benefits what so ever outside said religion. If you want marriage to have the benefits that it does then it needs to be purely legal and religions should not have control over it.

Married people are only married in the eyes of the law because of a legal document that has been signed and witnessed. You could perform the ceremony every day for a year, but without that document it's not official.

I believe it's something along the lines of the quite valid argument that says if you celebrate christmas or easter you are going to burn in hell for eternity. (Litterally there is a line in the bible that tells you not to)

I don't know, though I will laugh if you say you celebrate these holidays... or say "oh but it changed so its ok now" Cause the bible line is something like "Celebrate not the ways of the Heathen"

But you don't take the Bible literally. Right?

Anyway, the church can make up and it will be considered a revelation. Afaik the purgatory was made up like that by some pope.

I'm just waiting for the mass suicide logic loop of...

"The bible says kill witches"

"We celebrate pagan holidays"

"Oh noes we're witches"

Erm. Families aren't religious and they are just barely cultural. Families stem from the biological instincts to protect our young. Animals have no religion or culture, yet they still have a "family."