But the waterfall is an essence converter.

Just like the Wyrdling.

While "kill" isn't the exact term, waterfalls/rivers/etc have been dammed up before. It's not like it's impossible. Not that that should actually happen, but our essence converter probably shouldn't be a slayable guildhall.

Even if we had NOT chosen to make it a guildhall, it would still be a slayable essence converter... so trying to discuss it as if it's all a-okay because it's a guildhall is a bit off the mark. That's not even relevant.

Rika, I remember when Mag used to steal colts ALL THE GODDAMN TIME. This is nothing compared to then. I find myself concurring with Gregori

Pardon my bitterness, but... cry me a river that you have something that is actually killable. Make a seren and check out our logs for things that are killable. Glom has it pretty damn easy in that regard and shouldn't whine because they have 1 thing that can be killed and compared to the couple dozen things Serenwilde has.

Not like someone didn't try and get that changed though and was told "not everything has to be equal", so there is my response "Not everything has to be equal"

We have to gather killable pixies. You have to drop a shadowcatcher. Hell it's so easy for you that I have it triggered on my glom so I just run around and when I see the message the trigger fires and bam, shadow caught.

We have elfen and faelings running all over the commune proper that can be killed... you have... oh right.. nothing

We have centaur colts, tokota, poloma, abeytu.... Glom has... oh right a wyrdling.

So, you are so bitter that you didn't even bother to read my post.

It seems like you need to turn that spigot back a bit.

Where did my post say "Make the Wyrdling unkillable"? Did it say anything except "Make our essence converter something other than a slayable guildhall"?

Edit: And to your edit, we have the loyal harpies (which get killed from time to time), Rowena (which Rika likes to kill), the Skeleton council/Brennan (which aren't touched much), along with the Wyrdling (which I did NOT ask to be made invulnerable). Your Abeytu is matched with our Swampghast. We have Collegium tutors, just like you. We don't have as many total NPCs, but we do have enough that are easily slain themselves. And we also asked for more during the last Glomdoring discussion.

Cry me a river.

Why are you even upset about things that respawn anyhow?

Killing a pixie enemies you to Serenwilde. Being enemied means you can't make them follow you. Problem solved.

As for centaurs, they are required in a quest somehow. I think they -have- to be stolen?

Lastly: The wyrdling. Go make the waterfall "killable" so then the rainbow bridge won't appear and the Shofangi won't be able to enter their GH. You could claim equality and I would have some fun (and hopefully a new honour line for doing the quest).

FYI Swampghast is inviincible.

Brultk and Filib aren't. And Brultk even has some use, giving gold for assorted corpses.

We could probably use a few more random ones, though. It really does feel like no one else but the PCs live in the commune sometimes.

It would make a lot more sense, if it were determined that the essence conversion process be stoppable, for there to be a ritual to poison Moon Falls rather than to "kill" it or even to "dam" it, and a corresponding quest to cleanse it. Not that I'm saying there needs to be that symmetry, just that if there were, that would make a lot more sense.

Alternately, if it's thought there just needs to be a way to "kill" it, make it so the naiad is a lot lot tougher than she is, then make it so if she's dead, the essence won't convert when dropped. Maybe she was part of how it's been converted all along.

I like the poisoning part better.

EDIT: And the rainbow bridge can go all sad and grey.
EDIT: Actually, it'd have to be the Naiad, since beating up an s-mob through 20 guards is the difficulty of the wyrm and running in with a quest item against the guards alone is a lot easier.

I don't think we need symmetry so much as an understanding that asymmetry is okay. We have to deal with potential loss of essence conversion when you don't, you have to deal with people luring some self-respawning NPCs into their own org territory for ritual killing that can't be mirrored perfectly. Different circumstances, different degrees. If you ask me, Seren still has the much better end of the deal.

I still find it funny that a certain Seren equated colt killing with killing the Wyrdling.

Depends on how hard the quest is. What if it required things that are inside Serenwilde and guardable, for instance? Symmetry would be you have to kill a guardable supermob; asymmetry with balance and more interesting might be that you have to go to a number of locations within a fixed time, all of which are guardable, to do things which are smaller than killing a supermob.

Oooh. And not being caught would be important, as opposed to just being able to whisk yourselves straight away to the big mob and start killing.

I'm all for a quest of poisoning the Moon Falls and shutting off the Shofangi GH.

However. If the counter quest involves loti spores I will go on a personal jihad against the Administration.

It will involve shamrocks instead. And the admin will make sure there are no less than a dozen in Serenwilde at any given time.

PS: Just as long as it's not like Xan-something and the TBC... That would just be retarded ( ... so why do I suddenly think this is exactly what will happen if such a quest is ever put in ... ? )

@above:

This will fit in nicely with the beaver area I've been planning.

Quest:

- Naturally shy and retiring beavers must be encouraged to breed through the use of a special loti spore aphrodisiac (100 x loti spores per successful beaver breeding)
- Once sufficient beavers have been bred, beavers will create a dam which stops the waterfall.
- While quest is in progress, herald beavers will appear (invincible) at the nexi of all orgs, proclaiming their need for aphrodisiacs on all guild and city aethers.

Counter quest:

- Obtain 500 water essence
- Give 500 water essence to Raziela.
- Capture Raziela by means of a special bracelet formed of the flesh of Muud which causes her excruciating pain.
- Drag Raziela to waterfall where, bolstered by water essence, she cries a river, creating waterfall, and replacing flow of river until effects of aphrodisiac wear off, beaver population dies out, and dam falls apart.
- While quest is in progress, Raziela's tear-strewn image will appear at nexi of all orgs, pleading desperately to be saved.

In the interests of fairness, while both these quests are in progress, avenger protection will be removed from the Serenwilde forest.

Edit: I forget to add that the special Muud bracelet will have an astral insanity effect for everyone in the same area plane as it.

PS: Fain I hate love you.

Fain, you know I've been hard at work writing that quest for you.

I am furious you've ruined my fun - now they know! The release event involving thousands of sexually aggressive beavers flooding the nexuses for thirty straight days is now ruined.

I am very upset with you, Fain. Very upset.

Exactly not everything should be equal so accept your killable mobs.