Alright, Krin is as useful as dead, but seeing we know he's town, he'll just have to be that extra person that contributes to a majority. Vote stands on Daganev for now.

I felt that if the town decided that they didn't want a mass roleclaim, then I would stay silent, as claiming myself would be pointless. (since you kept saying it was such a bad idea)


@Arix: Ilyarin's leap just meant that he isn't targetable... he basically kidnapped himself untill he decides to post again...

So.. it was a good idea for everyone else to claim first? Why didn't you lead the claiming? My vote stands.

@Krin or Shaddus, did Krin use his night power? It didn't seem a particularly long night (as if you were waiting for him to send it). Unless he was roleblocked, in which case you might not have waited.

What crawled up your butt? You suggested that a mass roleclaim was a bad idea, so I backed off.

Um.. what? If you had just said the second part, I would have unvoted. But the first part seems highly defensive.

Shaddus can't answer, he's a mod.

The question should be at Krin only, silly.

didnt use it sadly.

um ok, lol

grasping at straws?

vote Rika

I already said, we've waited long enough for nothing to happen, and Shaddus is probably going to drop another deadline on us soon. As such, I'm going after one of the people who haven't given us any information at all. Namely you, because of the mass claiming thing. Instead of just defending yourself properly, you just became highly defensive.

Ok, but you were the first one to say that it was a bad idea to mass rolclaim. and now you say I'm suspicious for not being pushy enough on the mass roleclaim idea? I find that highly suspicious myself.

We have lurkers, and people with questionable powers, I'm not sure why you would want to focus on the person who stopped pushing for an idea that you thought was bad.

If I'm reading correctly, Rika's more concerned over the fact that you were, effectively, asking for everyone else to roleclaim - or at least one or two people to do so before you did yourself.

That's what I got out of it, too.

And, yeah, Dag, you are being a little on the defensive side.

Well thats a different story.

We have two names out there which we are probabbly sure are town. Asking them to identify themselves is very different than asking people who arn't those known townies to roleclaim.

It would be nice to have a block of known townies of whom we can safely vote with. If I claimed my own role, that would just confuse the known townies with a mass roleclaim (which is why I backed off that idea)

laughing at irony/hypocrasy is defensive now? I think people need to readjust their defensiveness radar.

let me make this less vague.

I wanted to know who Relm and Umaro were. Since I'm neither of those people, claiming my own role would be pointless.

Maybe it's just the way you come across? I seem to remember getting the same impression in other games, too.

Okay, let's try doing this a different way.

Instead of trying to figure out who everyone is, why don't we all agree on someone who needs to be investigated? Can we accomplish that much, at least?

Yes, you do mention the 3 or 4 names, but you also say a mass claim. Which means everybody.

These are two things that rika said.

They are the exact same behavior that I am currently suggesting.

The fact that Rika voted to lynch me, for supporting ideas, that she herself supported, made me laugh.

It also made me very suspcious when it was pointed out to her, but she still insisted on keeping her vote on me.

We found Rika suspicous a few days ago, and with this recent behavior, my vote has to stay on her.