Daganev2008-11-25 00:24:24
QUOTE(Dugan Diluculo @ Nov 24 2008, 03:34 PM) 586199
It has been day for about 24 hours, yes. In those 24 hours, we have had three people vote for someone, me, you and Sil. In those 24 hours, we have heard from 9 people ... Sil, Dag, Rika, Thiden, Myrkr, Ilyarin, Esano, Amarysse and myself. We have more than 9 people still alive. You say to point to them, we heard from only 9 and out of those nine, only three have casted votes.
Ok... and in those past 24 hours, where are the scum folks that jumped on the opportunity that you and Thiden said I presented?
They had 24 hours to jump on the crumbs I fed. They didn't.
QUOTE(Myrkr @ Nov 24 2008, 03:33 PM) 586198
Also, Dag, you're forgetting the following possibility:
Lynch Dugan. He's not scum. Night comes. Someone dies. Day comes. Lynch Thiden. He's not scum. Night comes. Someone dies.
Then what would you suggest we do?
Lynch Dugan. He's not scum. Night comes. Someone dies. Day comes. Lynch Thiden. He's not scum. Night comes. Someone dies.
Then what would you suggest we do?
Lets just worry about today today, and tomorrow tomorrow, when we get more information.
QUOTE(Thiden @ Nov 24 2008, 03:31 PM) 586197
Why are we letting Daganev call the shots...I have to say, he has been far more helpful to the Mafia then he has to us, even giving them a course of action to cast suspion on two people..."f I am right no one will die" right or wrong if the people you selected weren't mafia it was a great way to get them to not kill somoene just to cast suspicion. And since YOU seem to be quite willing to lynch someone who has claimed investigator...I find you extremely suspicions...While I realize I have only been able to point at Rika as Town, but again let me point out that is YOUR FAULT...for your briliant move of bumrushing me, which prevented me from investigating anyone lastnight....which prevented us from getting any real evidecent against who might really be Mafia.
I will say it again, you have been much more help to the Mafia then you have the town...I really wish Rika hadn't confirmed you as town. You are a liability.
I will say it again, you have been much more help to the Mafia then you have the town...I really wish Rika hadn't confirmed you as town. You are a liability.
You claimed investigator, at a time when we allready have two ways of investigating someone. You claimed investigator at a point in time where you could not prove you were an investigator.
You had NO reason to claim investigator, except as a means to throw suspicion on me.
Dugan2008-11-25 00:35:56
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 24 2008, 06:24 PM) 586226
Ok... and in those past 24 hours, where are the scum folks that jumped on the opportunity that you and Thiden said I presented?
They had 24 hours to jump on the crumbs I fed. They didn't.
Lets just worry about today today, and tomorrow tomorrow, when we get more information.
You claimed investigator, at a time when we allready have two ways of investigating someone. You claimed investigator at a point in time where you could not prove you were an investigator.
You had NO reason to claim investigator, except as a means to throw suspicion on me.
They had 24 hours to jump on the crumbs I fed. They didn't.
Lets just worry about today today, and tomorrow tomorrow, when we get more information.
You claimed investigator, at a time when we allready have two ways of investigating someone. You claimed investigator at a point in time where you could not prove you were an investigator.
You had NO reason to claim investigator, except as a means to throw suspicion on me.
Why should they jump on the bandwagon and tack on votes. They can just sit back and watch as those who are town tear into each other and tear themselves apart. All they need to do is say I am thinking about it or I need to take everything into some consideration. I wonder why we have so many people still here and silent on things? We have the same four or five people posting over and over ... why is that.
Lets just worry about today and tomorrow when we get more information. You think the town as a whole will get any information? What is going to change? We have a tracker who does not track and someone who claimed to investigate that gets bum-rushed.
Daganev2008-11-25 00:47:38
QUOTE(Dugan Diluculo @ Nov 24 2008, 04:35 PM) 586242
Why should they jump on the bandwagon and tack on votes. They can just sit back and watch as those who are town tear into each other and tear themselves apart. All they need to do is say I am thinking about it or I need to take everything into some consideration. I wonder why we have so many people still here and silent on things? We have the same four or five people posting over and over ... why is that.
Lets just worry about today and tomorrow when we get more information. You think the town as a whole will get any information? What is going to change? We have a tracker who does not track and someone who claimed to investigate that gets bum-rushed.
Lets just worry about today and tomorrow when we get more information. You think the town as a whole will get any information? What is going to change? We have a tracker who does not track and someone who claimed to investigate that gets bum-rushed.
Why are you distorting facts?
A. nobody is tearing anybody apart, there are only 3 people voting as you said, and nobody is talking much.
B. Like I said earlier, point to the people who are voting for you or Thiden, maybe we can check to see if they are scum or not.
C. Thiden was bumrushed, and THEN he claimed investigator, for no reason. We gained nothing from his claim, and all he did was put himself in danger (seemingly) Why would the scum not kill him last night if they thought he was the investigator? What reason would they have to have us lynch him the next day? that means they only get one death, instead of two.
Dugan2008-11-25 00:59:20
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 24 2008, 06:47 PM) 586252
Why are you distorting facts?
A. nobody is tearing anybody apart, there are only 3 people voting as you said, and nobody is talking much.
B. Like I said earlier, point to the people who are voting for you or Thiden, maybe we can check to see if they are scum or not.
C. Thiden was bumrushed, and THEN he claimed investigator, for no reason. We gained nothing from his claim, and all he did was put himself in danger (seemingly) Why would the scum not kill him last night if they thought he was the investigator? What reason would they have to have us lynch him the next day? that means they only get one death, instead of two.
A. nobody is tearing anybody apart, there are only 3 people voting as you said, and nobody is talking much.
B. Like I said earlier, point to the people who are voting for you or Thiden, maybe we can check to see if they are scum or not.
C. Thiden was bumrushed, and THEN he claimed investigator, for no reason. We gained nothing from his claim, and all he did was put himself in danger (seemingly) Why would the scum not kill him last night if they thought he was the investigator? What reason would they have to have us lynch him the next day? that means they only get one death, instead of two.
I will start with point A.
QUOTE(Thiden @ Nov 24 2008, 05:31 PM) 586197
Why are we letting Daganev call the shots...I have to say, he has been far more helpful to the Mafia then he has to us, even giving them a course of action to cast suspion on two people..."f I am right no one will die" right or wrong if the people you selected weren't mafia it was a great way to get them to not kill somoene just to cast suspicion. And since YOU seem to be quite willing to lynch someone who has claimed investigator...I find you extremely suspicions...While I realize I have only been able to point at Rika as Town, but again let me point out that is YOUR FAULT...for your briliant move of bumrushing me, which prevented me from investigating anyone lastnight....which prevented us from getting any real evidecent against who might really be Mafia.
I will say it again, you have been much more help to the Mafia then you have the town...I really wish Rika hadn't confirmed you as town. You are a liability.
I will say it again, you have been much more help to the Mafia then you have the town...I really wish Rika hadn't confirmed you as town. You are a liability.
QUOTE(Ilyarin @ Nov 24 2008, 05:22 AM) 586009
Going back, I see that Daganev potentially did something really stupid when he bumrushed Thiden and Dugan, which was to say "If I'm right, nobody will die tonight." This is pretty much a clear sign to the mafia, if they are not Thiden and Dugan, to do nothing tonight because they can instantly shift suspicions onto those two. Oops Daganev! I think you normally have more wit than that in a mafia game. However. The ability itself plays out so I don't really think you're scum.
B. Why should any mafia vote for either me or Thiden? You and Sil are the two that are pushing it. Everyone else is silent.
C. Why should they have lynched him. He was bumrushed, he couldn't investigate anyone. He was 'safe' as he couldn't verify anyone. Perhaps there were no kills last night cause the mafia peeps want to keep the heat off of them as long as possible and to keep having you and Sil point fingers at others. Thats what is going on. For the sake of this arguement, lets say I am mafia. Great. Am I alone, no. No mafia have died yet. They can just sit back and stay innocient in their 'I'm on the town side' roles.
Silvanus2008-11-25 01:23:30
Dugan, give us one reason why you should remain alive?
Just because you are potential to be town, we will still win without you. What use do you have?
Just because you are potential to be town, we will still win without you. What use do you have?
Dugan2008-11-25 01:37:57
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Nov 24 2008, 07:23 PM) 586277
Dugan, give us one reason why you should remain alive?
Just because you are potential to be town, we will still win without you. What use do you have?
Just because you are potential to be town, we will still win without you. What use do you have?
You know what Sil, you are absolutely right. The town side can still win regardless if I ever go town or not. But ... the object is to get rid of mafia, not non-town. We have 13. Lets assume we have 3 mafia. That leaves 9 town and me. You lynch me and that still leaves 3 mafia and 9 town. Wouldn't it be in the towns best interest to find and take out one of the mafia players than just play it safe and lynch me?
Silvanus2008-11-25 01:42:41
And how do you suppose we do that, today, without any definite investigative information?
But we do know you are not town.
But we do know you are not town.
Dugan2008-11-25 01:43:52
we have Esano and we have Rika. They both can verify posts. They have the power, let them use it.
Dugan2008-11-25 02:13:20
I have a question. I am going to post this to:
Rika, Arix, Myrkr, Kiradawea, Amarysse, Thiden, Krin, Aerotan, Esano, Ilyarin.
Dag and Sil have both made a claim to vote me out as I am a 'safe' vote. Both of them have posted for Rika and Esano not to use their abilities to either identify people as town/mafia or verify statement as true. I am currently not town. I say let Rika and Esano use their abilities to see if they can pick out the mafia people. They both say no, not to.
I say check me out. I have nothing at all to hide. I am not worried one bit about what the results would be if Rika investigated my post. It would do Esano no good to use his on me because I have publically said I am not town. I never tried to hide behind town status.
Investigate me, Thiden, Myrkr, Aerotan ... I don't really care. But why not let people use the abilities they have to actually find someone who is mafia? You 10 have all but been silent ... what do you all think?
Rika, Arix, Myrkr, Kiradawea, Amarysse, Thiden, Krin, Aerotan, Esano, Ilyarin.
Dag and Sil have both made a claim to vote me out as I am a 'safe' vote. Both of them have posted for Rika and Esano not to use their abilities to either identify people as town/mafia or verify statement as true. I am currently not town. I say let Rika and Esano use their abilities to see if they can pick out the mafia people. They both say no, not to.
I say check me out. I have nothing at all to hide. I am not worried one bit about what the results would be if Rika investigated my post. It would do Esano no good to use his on me because I have publically said I am not town. I never tried to hide behind town status.
Investigate me, Thiden, Myrkr, Aerotan ... I don't really care. But why not let people use the abilities they have to actually find someone who is mafia? You 10 have all but been silent ... what do you all think?
Daganev2008-11-25 02:19:06
QUOTE(Dugan Diluculo @ Nov 24 2008, 04:59 PM) 586258
C. Why should they have lynched him. He was bumrushed, he couldn't investigate anyone. He was 'safe' as he couldn't verify anyone. Perhaps there were no kills last night cause the mafia peeps want to keep the heat off of them as long as possible and to keep having you and Sil point fingers at others. Thats what is going on. For the sake of this arguement, lets say I am mafia. Great. Am I alone, no. No mafia have died yet. They can just sit back and stay innocient in their 'I'm on the town side' roles.
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Mafia doesn't lynch, they nightkill.
The mafia needs to kill off as many people as possible, as quickly as possible. If they killed Thiden last night, we would still be looking to lynch you, because you admited that you are not town. There is also a chance that you are mafia. Its is safe to kill you off, and use our limited investigations on other people, depending on if we find out that you are mafia or not.
I would just like to add, that Dugan, you still have not told us what your name is.
Aerotan2008-11-25 04:14:29
I'd just like to point out I've been quiet because I haven't been on the interweb much.
Thiden claimed Terra, so that took the only person I could remember jumping off a cliff. So I'm REALLY interested in finding out who you are. Further, we have Biggs/Wedge, so we know two of the missing three characters, and we know at least one of them was town since they were killed. You're the only one left. I do, however, recall someone being THROWN from a very high, cliff-like place. However, given that I don't believe there would only be one mafia member, I highly doubt we can trust that the roles and whether they're mafia or not are linked to FF VI.
From what I've seen so far, and all the talking going on, I'd really like to see the results of Esano, Myrkr, or you being investigated as to your town-mafia status.
Thiden claimed Terra, so that took the only person I could remember jumping off a cliff. So I'm REALLY interested in finding out who you are. Further, we have Biggs/Wedge, so we know two of the missing three characters, and we know at least one of them was town since they were killed. You're the only one left. I do, however, recall someone being THROWN from a very high, cliff-like place. However, given that I don't believe there would only be one mafia member, I highly doubt we can trust that the roles and whether they're mafia or not are linked to FF VI.
From what I've seen so far, and all the talking going on, I'd really like to see the results of Esano, Myrkr, or you being investigated as to your town-mafia status.
Esano2008-11-25 05:36:10
QUOTE(Dugan Diluculo @ Nov 25 2008, 11:20 AM) 586222
We have Esano going around with his flip coin? What does that do? No one has ever said anything to him as to what it means or what it does. We have you with your I am 50% avoidance on any action, plus a 50% chance to survive a lynch ... not a nightkill but a lynch. Both you and Dag want to kill off Thiden, but he has roleclaimed as an investigator. You want to have Dag bum-rush Rika ... the other person who can verify posts. As I posted to Dag, the mafia don't have to do too much of anything. They can just sit back on this one and do nothing.
And here I thought I explained this, several times.
The PM doesn't say what it does. The message is ambiguous. Last time, it gave me an investigative power. I used it on Kiradawea, and it reported town.
Rika should have one post-check left.
Dugan2008-11-25 06:04:35
QUOTE(Esano @ Nov 24 2008, 11:36 PM) 586403
And here I thought I explained this, several times.
The PM doesn't say what it does. The message is ambiguous. Last time, it gave me an investigative power. I used it on Kiradawea, and it reported town.
Rika should have one post-check left.
The PM doesn't say what it does. The message is ambiguous. Last time, it gave me an investigative power. I used it on Kiradawea, and it reported town.
Rika should have one post-check left.
My apologies Esano. I did not realize that you already used it.
Arix2008-11-25 06:29:00
by popular request, though it probably won't work
CHAINSAW SILVANUS
CHAINSAW SILVANUS
Ilyarin2008-11-25 09:46:10
I don't know why, but I'm absolutely cannot shift a sense of scumminess from Arix, Daganev and Silvanus (although that one might not matter anymore). I think it's time to use our investigation powers. It would really comfort me for Rika to check Daganev...
Esano2008-11-25 09:48:33
Daganev's been checked, IIRC.
Ilyarin2008-11-25 09:49:24
Are you sure? I don't think he has. All I remember is Daganev saying, "Arix is town." and Arix saying, "Daganev is town."
Rika2008-11-25 09:51:08
Daganev has been checked already, yes.
Esano2008-11-25 09:51:28
QUOTE(rika @ Nov 21 2008, 08:30 AM) 584865
Alright, Daganev wasn't lying. What now?
Here we go.
Ilyarin2008-11-25 09:52:13
Oh okay. ^^;
Well then umm..! Has Biggs been checked? *suck*
Well then umm..! Has Biggs been checked? *suck*