SEX..."is there anyway to know the difference in SEX before you get the colt for incubation"

Gender is learned social behavior, sex is the sex -male or female- of an organism.

wtf!?!

genâ‹…der
1   /ˈdʒɛndər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Grammar.
a. (in many languages) a set of classes that together include all nouns, membership in a particular class being shown by the form of the noun itself or by the form or choice of words that modify, replace, or otherwise refer to the noun, as, in English, the choice of he to replace the man, of she to replace the woman, of it to replace the table, of it or she to replace the ship. The number of genders in different languages varies from 2 to more than 20; often the classification correlates in part with sex or animateness. The most familiar sets of genders are of three classes (as masculine, feminine, and neuter in Latin and German) or of two (as common and neuter in Dutch, or masculine and feminine in French and Spanish).
b. one class of such a set.
c. such classes or sets collectively or in general.
d. membership of a word or grammatical form, or an inflectional form showing membership, in such a class.
2. sex: the feminine gender.

Perhaps you're thinking "orientation"? Though even that as "learned social behaviour" would be disputed.

Femininity is not sex, it is gender. Sex is determined by one's sex(ual) organs. Gender (femininity/masculinity and others outside western society) is not determined by sex. Since the mid 19th century western science has tried to tie gender with sex, which is false.

I agree that that definition is one that is commonly used. However, sex and gender are not the same.

The following definitions from -medical- dictionaries are far more accurate than dictionary.com's own definition.

gender gen·der (jěn'dər)
n.

The sex of an individual, male or female, based on reproductive anatomy.
Sexual identity, especially in relation to society or culture.


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Main Entry: gen·der
Pronunciation: 'jen-d&r
Function: noun
1 : SEX 1
2 : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex


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The first definition in both of those entries indicates the primary definition is, in fact, based on the physical characteristics.

As I said Western Science has tried to tie gender with sex since the mid 19th century. The following is now the accepted medical/psychological definition of sex and gender.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html
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What is the difference between sex and gender?
Sex = male and female

Gender = masculine and feminine

So in essence:

Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs.

Gender describes the characteristics that a society or culture delineates as masculine or feminine.

So while your sex as male or female is a biological fact that is the same in any culture, what that sex means in terms of your gender role as a 'man' or a 'woman' in society can be quite different cross culturally. These 'gender roles' have an impact on the health of the individual.

In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:

'man' = male sex+ masculine social role

(a 'real man', 'masculine' or 'manly')

'woman' = female sex + feminine social role

(a 'real woman', 'feminine' or 'womanly')

Well I'm not going to read what this conversation is about, but according to sociologists "gender role" is what society assigns you based on your sex. Boys play with trucks and girls play with barbies. Etc. "Deviants" are the people that stray outside their designated gender role. Sex is determined by genetics. Male or female.

Gender and Sex are linked and similair, but not the same. At least...that's what I remember from Sociology.

You appear to be discussing gender roles more than actual gender.

By that description, many women are in some limbo because they don't act feminine.

Gender, by itself, can be used interchangeably with sex (by your very own dictionary definitions). It does not matter if it meant something different in the 19th century-- the word has changed by this point. Railing against that doesn't accomplish anything.

It's not like it's the only word that's gradually come to mean something different as time goes on.

Thats what I am refuting. Gender is not linked to sex. Some boys play with dolls, some girls are tom boys...this is gender masculinity and femininity as assigned by societal standards. Native American may have 2, 3, and as much as 4 seperate genders.

Deviant is not a term anyone would use today. Maybe in Texas.

Futher, consider intersexed people. For example, a woman with XY (MALE) chromosomes is for all intents and purposes and legally -male-. However, her gender would be female if she ascribed and behaved the pre-subscribed ways a female aught to in her society.

From the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION:

What do we mean by "sex" and "gender"?
Sometimes it is hard to understand exactly what is meant by the term “gender”, and how it differs from the closely related term “sex”.

"Sex” refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women.

“Gender” refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women.

To put it another way:

“Male” and “female” are sex categories, while “masculine” and “feminine” are gender categories.

Aspects of sex will not vary substantially between different human societies, while aspects of gender may vary greatly.

Some examples of sex characteristics :

Women can menstruate while men cannot
Men have testicles while women do not
Women have developed breasts that are usually capable of lactating, while men do not
Men generally have more massive bones than women
Some examples of gender characteristics :

In the United States (and most other countries), women earn significantly less money than men for similar work
In Viet Nam, many more men than women smoke, as female smoking has not traditionally been considered appropriate
In Saudi Arabia men are allowed to drive cars while women are not
In most of the world, women do more housework than men

That was my initial point. The definition of Gender was changed by western science/philosophers/ et etc to link masculinity and femininity to the male and female sexes. The definition has again changed since western science and psychology has gotten it correct. Today Gender and Sex are not thought to be the same thing.

Again, from the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION:

What do we mean by "sex" and "gender"?
Sometimes it is hard to understand exactly what is meant by the term “gender”, and how it differs from the closely related term “sex”.

"Sex” refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women.

“Gender” refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women.

To put it another way:

“Male” and “female” are sex categories, while “masculine” and “feminine” are gender categories.

Aspects of sex will not vary substantially between different human societies, while aspects of gender may vary greatly.

Some examples of sex characteristics :

Women can menstruate while men cannot
Men have testicles while women do not
Women have developed breasts that are usually capable of lactating, while men do not
Men generally have more massive bones than women
Some examples of gender characteristics :

In the United States (and most other countries), women earn significantly less money than men for similar work
In Viet Nam, many more men than women smoke, as female smoking has not traditionally been considered appropriate
In Saudi Arabia men are allowed to drive cars while women are not
In most of the world, women do more housework than men

Once again, your very own dictionary definitions say otherwise.

There's no real way around that.

They've come to mean this to the general population, and don't really show any sign of changing any time soon, so...

(Don't really see any reason to continue responding to you, you've already undermined your own argument, so I'm going to just let you rant along all by yourself now)

Does that mean if I use a bubble of gender switching I can change into a smoking Vietnamese woman?

My argument was that western science has tried to tie sex and gender together. The fact that the are shown within medical dictionaries being interchangable is a symptom of such. Today, within the psychological, medical, and goverment gender and sex are not the same.

Therefore it is not appropriate to describe a horse's gender as female...that is sex.

sex will still not be gender.

Sex up your horses all you want, I won't judge.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

And here I thought we here having a friendly discussion. Another term we use in Texas. "Dillhole."

edit: *bang bang* YEE HAW

Correction: Psychologists/scientists do not consider them the same thing, but the general populace on the other hand uses those terms interchangeably. In fact, I realize that gender more equals role and sex is the actual physical 'form', but it actually seems rather strange to me to say sex instead of gender when I'm talking about something in the same manner as Dugan.

Words can have different meanings and uses anyways, and considering that gender is so frequently used in place of 'sex', I'd say that it qualifies as meaning the same thing when it is used that way.


Besides, if you really want to be technical, since it's a text colt it doesn't have any physical sex anyways, all it can have is gender because it will seem one way or the other but not actually be one way or the other in physical sense.

I grew up in Texas, am a native Texan. I recall Texas being a place where deviant was a term thrown out when anything did not meet societal norms. Example, a boy playing with Barbi dolls. Growing up in Texas conforming with societal gender roles was often demanded by soceity at large. I'm not surprised that someone from Texas would use a term like deviant. I did not intend to knock on you for using it, rather the society that fosters such ill terminology.

Valestrix I said, "Today Gender and Sex are -not- thought to be the same thing". Your correction affirms what I said.